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    [OPTION IN NEXT UPDATE] Helmet mounted sight in VR - shouldn't it be a monocle?

    In VR, helmet sight symbology appears in both eyes, but shouldn't it be right eye only?

    #2
    Originally posted by Flamin_Squirrel View Post
    In VR, helmet sight symbology appears in both eyes, but shouldn't it be right eye only?
    Yes it should, just like NVG’s should be a monocle as well - but they aren’t they way either. In the Hornet, you can choose whether it is displayed to the left/right or both eyes.

    Not sure I’d really like it to be in a single eye - as things rendering in only one eye in VR (i.e the clouds and other things that they currently have an issue with) is quite brutal. My .02


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      #3
      Originally posted by Ziptie View Post
      just like NVG’s should be a monocle as well -
      Actually no, the NVGs used by A-10 pilots isn’t a monocle.
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        #4
        Originally posted by Snoopy View Post
        Actually no, the NVGs used by A-10 pilots isn’t a monocle.
        Excellent, so we have that correctly modeled for VR. Seems like the screen mirror shows a monocle - chalk that one up as win for us 3D’ers! Thanks for the info Snoopy.



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          #5
          The devs should be informed about this since there's a wishlist in which they say they'll add the option to be one eye only as - according to someone posting pics - so should be:

          https://forums.eagle.ru/showthread.php?t=287543

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            #6
            I want monocle, I want FC3 aircrafts sights as well be monocle. When they are on both eyes it makes you look cross and it is difficult to have a 3D effect.

            Monocles like in KA-50 are great, and in hornet it was nice to get eventually.
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              #7
              Originally posted by Ziptie View Post
              Excellent, so we have that correctly modeled for VR. Seems like the screen mirror shows a monocle - chalk that one up as win for us 3D’ers! Thanks for the info Snoopy.



              Cheers,

              Ziptie
              I didn’t say that either, the HMCS goes over one eye (the pilots dominate eye) aka monocle. The NVGs we use have two tubes but it should look like a “circle” and not cover the entire VR view.
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                #8
                Having HMCS in one eye requires dozens of hours of training. I don't know if it's a good solution for a game.

                I recommend reading "Apache" by Ed Macy - AH-64 pilot, who describes problems he encountered with that in details. (After training he was able to read two book simultaneously - each with different eye.)

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                  #9
                  The HMD had a right eye/left eye/both option from day one in the Hornet and Viper. Not including it at launch with the "Tank Killer" is a complete oversight.
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                    #10
                    Originally posted by Nealius View Post
                    The HMD had a right eye/left eye/both option from day one in the Hornet and Viper. Not including it at launch with the "Tank Killer" is a complete oversight.
                    I don't understand those settings. They both work for me and i'm blind in my right eye.
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                      #11
                      Originally posted by BuzzU View Post
                      I don't understand those settings. They both work for me and i'm blind in my right eye.
                      This is for VR. On a regular screen it won't make a difference.
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                        #12
                        Ah ok.
                        Buzz

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                          #13
                          I second that we should have a one eye setting. I'm fully prepared to assume that ED always
                          planned on adding it in, so I'm happy to wait a bit for that to come down the pipeline.

                          As for Foka's assertion:
                          Originally posted by Foka View Post
                          Having HMCS in one eye requires dozens of hours of training. I don't know if it's a good solution for a game.

                          I recommend reading "Apache" by Ed Macy - AH-64 pilot, who describes problems he encountered with that in details. (After training he was able to read two book simultaneously - each with different eye.)
                          While I'm certain that the source you reference is accurate, I can only assume that that's one pilot's issues and not something that would affect everyone. I've used the JHMCS a lot, in one eye only since launch, and never had an issue. I gave it a shot in both eyes just to see if it made a difference for me and it really didn't. Just like with everything else, every person is an individual and will have different reactions to the same stimulus.

                          I fully support having a 'both eyes' option for those who need it, but for at least some of us, it isn't necessary at all.
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                            #14
                            If we'll have the three options, as it seems to be, it's the best thing for everyone.

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                              #15
                              Originally posted by Foka View Post
                              Having HMCS in one eye requires dozens of hours of training. I don't know if it's a good solution for a game.

                              I recommend reading "Apache" by Ed Macy - AH-64 pilot, who describes problems he encountered with that in details. (After training he was able to read two book simultaneously - each with different eye.)


                              Couldn't resist....

                              Seriously, with a one eye having overlay of data is not a problematic for most people but some really do have challenge with it.
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                                #16
                                Originally posted by Foka View Post
                                Having HMCS in one eye requires dozens of hours of training. I don't know if it's a good solution for a game.

                                I recommend reading "Apache" by Ed Macy - AH-64 pilot, who describes problems he encountered with that in details. (After training he was able to read two book simultaneously - each with different eye.)
                                Crazy stuff. I actually have problems reading a single book already. This box I'm typing to approximately looks like this for me:



                                Tried to simulate it with a glass bottleneck (for guitar playing) and some unsharpen filters. Think away the bottleneck ring and the refraction and it's pretty close, at least for one eye only. With both together, it's actually not as bad as they help each other out. But still a massive chore. And yes, I'm really flying DCS with that vision, even in VR, which actually is a lot easier than in pancake.

                                I'm glad we have to option to put the Hammicks on both eyes in the Hornet an Viper and I hope that comes here as well, so we can either have the real deal or a decent substitute for the ones who're simply not allowed to fly IRL.
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                                  #17
                                  Dozens of hours? Surely it's individual. It took me all of 5 minutes to get used to it in the Hornet.
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                                    #18
                                    There's a specific reason why the Apache is a challenge to get used to:

                                    “Night flying is the hardest challenge. The nose of the Apache contains the Modernized Target Acquisition Designation Sight (MTADS) and the Pilot Night Vision System (PNVS) which view the world in infrared heat energy and beam in image on to your Helmet Mounted Display. You see two perspectives: ‘night’ in your left eye and ‘day in your right. You train which eye you give dominance to.”
                                    All the helmet sights we have so far just display a bit of symbology, so very different.

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                                      #19
                                      VR kits lack Depth of Field (everything is focused on the same plane at about 1.5-2 meters away), so having HMD in one eye is not a super realistic experience either. It's harder on your brain than it really should be.
                                      Last edited 10-05-2020, 07:43 AM.

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                                        #20
                                        We will be adding the option in the special options tab in a future patch.

                                        For me I will be using both eyes, otherwise I get eye strain in VR


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