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    For those that fly the bf109 and dora

    What is your opinion? What is the better all around fighter? I can fly the spitfire and p51 mustang well but I can’t dogfight with bf109 well at all no matter how much time I put in it. I want to have a German plane to fly so I can at least have one plane on each side. Should I just stick it out with the 109 or should i give the Dora a try?

    #2
    If you like the Mustang, then you will probably like the Dora too. They are somewhat somewhere similar, kind off.

    But to be honest, the K4 is rather easy to fight with, IMO easier than the D9 (and A8 ). Maybe time to change strategy and fly "like it was inteded to be flown" (I don't know how you fly it, but since you flew only Spit/Pony before, I suspect you aren't using it to it's full potential)

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      #3
      With the K4, you are fast and you can turn good when slow.
      With the D9, you should always stay fast and never turn.

      You need a lot of discipline with the D9, but thats part of the fun.
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        #4
        I have both planes (and the A8 also ).

        I have never been able to warm up to the Dora. It's not a turn plane at all - at least in DCS. If you lose energy you are practically defenceless it seems - unless you get lucky enough to be able to run away.

        The 109 I like a lot. I find it kind of between the Spit and the Mustang. I feel I could do a lot more with it than I am currently with more focused seat team. It did take a bit of time to warm up to but I think it was more to getting back into flight sims after 25+ years and it being a "non-trivial" plane in DCS moreso than anything.

        If you are looking to buy a German airplane that flies and fights somewhat more like the Spit or Mustang stick with the 109. The Dora will disappoint from that perspective.

        I'm far from proficient in any of these but that's my impressions currently.

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          #5
          When I fly the 109. If I get in to a prolonged turn fight, I find she has hard time turning right. Maybe I will spend more time flying the 109 and just get better instead of buying the Dora. I was able to get much more proficient at dogfighting with the mustang and spitfire much faster than the 109 though.

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            #6
            The 109 is good for dueling, which is what most online combat is because of the pathetically low attendance....

            But if it's a simulation of WW2 combat, where both sides have multiple aircraft, and there is a possibility of coordinated tactics, then the 190D-9 is the clear choice. The 109 can barely maneuver at 600kph indicated, while the Dora maneuvers like a feather at that speed and beyond.
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              #7
              Originally posted by GR00VYJERRY View Post
              What is your opinion? What is the better all around fighter? I can fly the spitfire and p51 mustang well but I can’t dogfight with bf109 well at all no matter how much time I put in it. I want to have a German plane to fly so I can at least have one plane on each side. Should I just stick it out with the 109 or should i give the Dora a try?
              The 109K4 is hands down better. It turns way better, climbs better, accelerates better, manuevers at slow speeds way better. For dogfighting the 109K4 is better by far.

              The FW190D9 is easier to control at high speed, carries more ammo, has more cannons and can fly for longer before needing to refuel.

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                #8
                Come to think of it, the only real thing that bugs me about the 109 is it is light on the amount of ammo it carries. That said, potential to hone your gunnery skills (accuracy) is there as a result.

                Nothing touches the Spit in a turning fight but the 109 isn't far behind.

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