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    Opinion requested: Upcoming Facebook account requirement for Quest 2

    There is upcoming change in the Facebook rules that one to use Quest 2 is required to use it through a Facebook account. Previously Facebook and Oculus both promised that it would never happen and players can keep using just standalone Oculus account. And that has upset people, not just here for the DCS World use but everywhere.

    I belong to group that has never had Facebook account, never will. But I as well belong to group that has used Whatsapp communication application on phone way before Facebook bought that company. And while I would have really much wanted to delete my Whatsapp account because of that, it is just basically impossible as everyone in social life are communicating through that.

    And by knowing since the 90's how difficult it is to get people start using a new applications or new ways to communicate (be it example a newsgroup, IRC, ICQ, MSN, AOL, emails etc) that would eventually lead that everyone are under same method (old praises to those old early multi-protocol IM applications that allowed you to void using multiple IM but just one), the effort is just not worth to even try these mobile days when everyone are in Whatsapp that is tied to your own physical (still) SIM card and not-so-effortless changed phone number (who would want to even go through all the hassle to change phone number?).

    And then it stroke to me, how many would be willing to accept using Quest 2 just by using an Whatsapp phone number tied to it?

    I was listening a "Google Now" podcast while driving home and there was mentioning that Facebook is trying now to get all different accounts connected to one "Facebook account". Where one co-host was questioning that he thought that was already done so? But if the information is correct, the facebook, whatsapp and some other would be coming as one login.

    And while it likely would go bad way that all are requiring a facebook profile, I could have seen a way that you do not need a facebook profile (as in facebook.com) but just your phone number as the account to use Quest 2....

    That would be a compromise I could accept, unless Oculus account could be used as is....
    I am mainly using VR for DCS World only, it is basically sitting on the VR flight chair permanently even when I could use it for everything else in its large room.
    And this is (at least for me) more about making a Facebook account just to get to use DCS World, and it leads eventually that if it would become to that, it is any other VR device with hundreds more costing price tag, full new setup designs (should be inside-out only), instead just clicking few buttons to create a new facebook account.

    And this is as well scary that ED has currently only supported Oculus Touch Controllers (AFAIK) as virtual hands inside cockpit, no hand tracking that Quest and Quest 2 supports (yet) and nothing else. And I am not ready to give up that easiness for anything else.
    So it is as well up to that what DCS World will have in the future for the virtual hands. If they would support hand detection in Quest 2, I would really much get to buy that one...
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    #2
    I had been considering selling my Quest for a while as I rarely use it unless at a hotel (not common these days) and the FB account requirement was the final straw. I sold it on Ebay a week ago. I still have a Rift S, but it's also going to ebay once I can get a Reverb G2. I do have a FB account and use it occasionally, but I don't post anything of much interest there and certainly don't stream my living room to it.

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      #3
      how many would be willing to accept using Quest 2 just by using an Whatsapp phone number tied to it?
      Not me. I genuinely hate social media (Facebook-Whatsapp-Instagram/Google/Amazon/TikTok/Snapchat/Discord/younameit). Whatsapp is a Facebook app. So no. Not even for a million bucks. And yes, I'm serious.

      Only thing I use -sometimes- is Youtube. Without an account of course, and afterwards that cookie gets trashed.
      Watch "The social dilemma" and ask yourself why those former CEO's and their families don't use those products.
      Last edited 10-04-2020, 04:13 PM.

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        #4
        Originally posted by Fri13 View Post
        There is upcoming change in the Facebook rules that one to use Quest 2 is required to use it through a Facebook account. Previously Facebook and Oculus both promised that it would never happen and players can keep using just standalone Oculus account. And that has upset people, not just here for the DCS World use but everywhere.

        I belong to group that has never had Facebook account, never will. But I as well belong to group that has used Whatsapp communication application on phone way before Facebook bought that company. And while I would have really much wanted to delete my Whatsapp account because of that, it is just basically impossible as everyone in social life are communicating through that.

        And by knowing since the 90's how difficult it is to get people start using a new applications or new ways to communicate (be it example a newsgroup, IRC, ICQ, MSN, AOL, emails etc) that would eventually lead that everyone are under same method (old praises to those old early multi-protocol IM applications that allowed you to void using multiple IM but just one), the effort is just not worth to even try these mobile days when everyone are in Whatsapp that is tied to your own physical (still) SIM card and not-so-effortless changed phone number (who would want to even go through all the hassle to change phone number?).

        And then it stroke to me, how many would be willing to accept using Quest 2 just by using an Whatsapp phone number tied to it?

        I was listening a "Google Now" podcast while driving home and there was mentioning that Facebook is trying now to get all different accounts connected to one "Facebook account". Where one co-host was questioning that he thought that was already done so? But if the information is correct, the facebook, whatsapp and some other would be coming as one login.

        And while it likely would go bad way that all are requiring a facebook profile, I could have seen a way that you do not need a facebook profile (as in facebook.com) but just your phone number as the account to use Quest 2....

        That would be a compromise I could accept, unless Oculus account could be used as is....
        I am mainly using VR for DCS World only, it is basically sitting on the VR flight chair permanently even when I could use it for everything else in its large room.
        And this is (at least for me) more about making a Facebook account just to get to use DCS World, and it leads eventually that if it would become to that, it is any other VR device with hundreds more costing price tag, full new setup designs (should be inside-out only), instead just clicking few buttons to create a new facebook account.

        And this is as well scary that ED has currently only supported Oculus Touch Controllers (AFAIK) as virtual hands inside cockpit, no hand tracking that Quest and Quest 2 supports (yet) and nothing else. And I am not ready to give up that easiness for anything else.
        So it is as well up to that what DCS World will have in the future for the virtual hands. If they would support hand detection in Quest 2, I would really much get to buy that one...
        Quest currently only has hand tracking while using the Quest stand alone softer.
        Connected to PC via Link currently uses the Rift software which does not have hand tracking support currently.

        I have a FB account I use for close family and a few friends, I will not tie it in to an Oculus account. I have no intention of using a VR headset as a social experience. I get and understand what Facebook is doing and if it helps grow the VR industry that is fine.
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          #5
          Definitely an issue for me. I was already extremely (!!!) unhappy with the Oculus Store requirement. Forcing a Facebook account means Oculus products a no buy for me.
          I mean where should this end? Buying milk for breakfast requires a dairy customer account that you provide at the register?
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            #6
            Originally posted by shagrat View Post
            Definitely an issue for me. I was already extremely (!!!) unhappy with the Oculus Store requirement. Forcing a Facebook account means Oculus products a no buy for me.
            I mean where should this end? Buying milk for breakfast requires a dairy customer account that you provide at the register?
            If you buy from AMZN or TARGET or Walmart or REWE any other grocery store with a reward card, then yes. You're already doing that.
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              #7
              The whole privacy issue needs to get far far worse in order for everyone to do something about it. It's not just facebook. Everyone's listening and collecting everything everytime. They will tell you it's safe and they don't use it for anything but that's what they said before Snowden.
              Last edited 10-07-2020, 01:55 AM.

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                #8
                So is there anywhere we can go to see the TERMS of use for the new Oculus Quest before buying?


                I am under the impression that if I use the headset tethered to the computer and use it for DCS I wont need to log in to a Facebook account. If I do need to "Log in" what do they have access to? Will it announce on Facebook that I am in DCS flying planes, come Join him posts. (I think of the endless requests for me to join Candy Crush Games from friends - Sorry aunt Deb)


                Privacy is a concern. I have already read that the cameras on the headsets can be hacked and people can see inside your house much like the camera on a laptop or security systems. I know that the price point on the new Oculus is so low that your selling something in exchange. Its the "what am i selling" concern before I order something and have to open the box.



                To be fair "what are we selling" when buying a Vive, Reverb 2 or Pimax. Are any of those tied to an "Account"



                Just a few questions here, I am about to buy my first headset ever and the homework never seems to be done.



                By the way Do i need the Steam version of DCS to play in VR? I notice lots of headsets work with Steam.


                Thanks

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                  #9
                  Originally posted by Wdigman View Post



                  By the way Do i need the Steam version of DCS to play in VR? I notice lots of headsets work with Steam.


                  Thanks
                  The standalone version of DCS works with all of the PC-based HMDs for VR. You don't need to buy the Steam version.
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                    #10
                    Zuckerberg is pretty much Satan soooo, no, I wouldn't have anything to do with his hardware. And no I don't have a Facebook or Instagram account.
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                      #11
                      Hard pass.

                      I don't mind if others use antisocial media, but I'm not interested. So no fakebook, no whutzup, no instythods, don't need it. And those that do, I feel that in 5 or 10 years, will eventually REALLY regret having let these companies mess with us.

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                        #12
                        I'll be moving away from Oculus and getting a G2. Nothing will/would make me use or buy another facebook product. They can't be trusted.

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                          #13
                          Originally posted by Wdigman View Post
                          By the way Do i need the Steam version of DCS to play in VR? I notice lots of headsets work with Steam.
                          They use SteamVR which is part of the Steam platform to "drive" your headset. You have to have the Steam platform installed to do so but you don't need the Steam version of DCS.
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                            #14
                            There's a big difference between Instagram/Whatsapp and Quest 2.
                            If they ban because, whatever*, in the former you loose your contacts, chats and pictures. The latter, you loose all the money you spent on games in their platform and brick your headset.


                            *whatever could mean anything they see fit to ban you.
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                              #15
                              Originally posted by stormridersp View Post
                              There's a big difference between Instagram/Whatsapp and Quest 2.
                              If they ban because, whatever*, in the former you loose your contacts, chats and pictures. The latter, you loose all the money you spent on games in their platform and brick your headset.


                              *whatever could mean anything they see fit to ban you.

                              That's the other side of it. I don't post anything particularly controversial anywhere but Facebook/Google/etc are not known for being fair, consistent or even remotely rational when it comes to banning people. Steam does carry a risk too of course, but I've not heard of steam running around banning people on a whim. They seem to be one of our more benign tech overlords. No agenda to push, they just want everyone's money.

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                                #16
                                Originally posted by Rick50 View Post
                                And those that do, I feel that in 5 or 10 years, will eventually REALLY regret having let these companies mess with us.
                                +1

                                Well said!
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                                  #17
                                  Originally posted by hansangb View Post
                                  If you buy from AMZN or TARGET or Walmart or REWE any other grocery store with a reward card, then yes. You're already doing that.
                                  I don't, as I have the option to decline using a reward card... At least for now. And I would like to keep it that way.
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                                    #18
                                    Originally posted by shagrat View Post
                                    I don't, as I have the option to decline using a reward card... At least for now. And I would like to keep it that way.

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                                      #19
                                      I abondoned the oculus route a while ago...
                                      I would be tempted to try the quest2 for pc vr....
                                      But I don’t think i will be doing that anytime soon.
                                      About the requirement for Facebook account...one could make just an account without really using it (without uploading photos or personal info). I don’t like that but if the headset is good (for oc vr and flightsims) it could be worth a try.
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                                        #20
                                        Originally posted by hansangb View Post
                                        If you're married, don't tell that to your wife!
                                        My wife doesn't do this either... One reason I love her so much. And she has less pairs of shoes than me... [emoji1787]
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