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    New VR Pointing Device

    Now Shipping 1 thru 425 for Version 1 from FireCats List https://forums.eagle.ru/showpost.php...&postcount=690

    PointCTRL is an index finger mounted device that enables pilots operating Virtual Reality flight simulators the ability to interact with cockpit controls naturally and intuitively.

    PointCTRL Kit Includes
    HMS (Head Mounted Sensor)w/ mount, 2 FCUs (Finger Control Units) w/150mah lipo batteries, 2 USB chargers w/o 5v USB power supply , Fire-resistant FCU case, 10ft Micro USB cable, and assorted attachment supplies.
    Price $175.00 USD


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    Optional Headset Mounted triple Aux Push-button banks (APB) In Stock for immediate shipment

    Includes 1, 3 button bank, 150mm 4 wire harnes, and VHB double sided mounting tape attached.
    Price $12.50 USD each

    To order Auxilly Push Buttons "APB", send an email to orders@pointctrl.com and in the subject line, add Order-APBs
    in the body write country being shipped to. You will receive a paypal invoice to complete the order.

    Buttons are hard coded as q,w,e,r,t,y and are assigned in DCS under keyboard just as you would assign any key.


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    Available Manufacturer Specific HMS Mounts One mount included with kit with VHB double sided tape attached.
    Oculus CV1
    Oculus S
    HP Reverb
    HTC Vive
    HTC Vive Pro
    Samsung Odyssey
    Pimax 5K
    Valve Index
    Generic
    Non VR Static Mount
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    Spare Parts
    Recommended - USB Charge Monitor and and data logger $10.00

    None of the spares below are required or necessary,
    ( PointCTRL Kits comes complete with each of the items below )

    HMS Mount Body Only - Specify Type $8.00
    HMS Cover - Universal $4.00
    FCU Body Only w/strap - Specify left or right $8.00
    FCU Front $2.00
    10ft/3m Light Weight Braided Micro USB Cable $8.00
    USB charger w/o power supply $8.00
    150mah Lithium polymer battery $5.00
    Lipo Fire Safe Bag $8.00

    Shipping
    U.S. Shipping $6.00
    Canada $20.00
    Europe $26.00
    Australia $26.00
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    How to Order
    Please follow these steps:
    1) Go to http://pointctrl.com and click on the PREORDER tab.
    2) Fill out the form and press submit.
    3) You will then receive your PayPal invoice when your PointCTRL kit is in final testing. Please check the invoice to confirm your order, if something is wrong, send an email to Carol at orders@pointctrl.com

    If you missed your number just follow the above procedure and your order will be processed immediately following the current groups.

    Thanks,


    Links
    PointCTRL website with Set-Up instructionshttps://pointctrl.com/
    FireCat's information links https://forums.eagle.ru/showpost.php...postcount=1149
    PointCTRL Support Discord https://discord.gg/jH5FktJ




    Great user video by Andrew U.K. showing his mocked up panels for even more immersion.
    Thanks Andrew, Great Stuff!!






    Old Initial Post
    Hey Guys,
    I have been developing a VR mouse emulating device for the past 6 months, and I am close to posting some pics and videos of a working production prototype. I have been using a prototype of this device with DCS for a few months now. Those that fly on the 99th ‘s server are familiar with it. I have not wanted to say anything here because a lot of claims are made and products don’t materialize. But I woke up this morning and said, “why not?”. The device is called PointCTRL, and consists of 2 wireless, wearable index finger devices, a wireless HMD mounted micro tracking camera, and a USB dongle receiver. The ring type devices have three tactile push buttons along the inbound sides, allowing them to be identified and pressed with the thumb. Each ring is tracked in 2d space only, emulating mouse movement and button presses. No external software is required to run PointCTRL, as it is only recognized as a standard HID mouse. Software is provided to customize personal parameters and functions. So basically, instead of searching for the mouse or picking up a secondary controller, you just point at the switch, button, or lever you want to interact with, and then press one of the three tactile switches to operate it. If it’s a control that is mouse clickable, and you can see and point at it anywhere in your 360-degree environment, you can interact with it. A companion product will also be available that simulates touching a cockpit panel. The mouse press is emulated when finger contact is made with the panel, while the position is being tracked by the camera. PointCTRL can also be configured to work with standard monitors. Part of my reason for posting my progress is to help me stay focused on this task, as I tend to get distracted by shiny things. I am going to post pics and possibly a video in 1 week, not 2 weeks, but 1 week. I will try and answer any further questions in a somewhat timely manner, but I only have 6 days, 23 hours, and 59 minutes to get some pics and videos out.

    Thanks,

    Miles
    Last edited 11-26-2020, 05:22 AM.
    Now Shipping 1 thru 425 for current production version 1
    PointCTRL General Information Post https://forums.eagle.ru/showpost.php...54&postcount=1
    PreOrder Wait List Submission https://pointctrl.com/elementor-8258/
    PointCTRL Support Discord https://discord.gg/jH5FktJ
    PintCTRL Website https://pointctrl.com/

    #2
    promising. depending on the cost I would buy ! I bought the cougar sensors as well !
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      #3
      That long post and forgot to mention the price. I know this is a niche market but, I really want to make this as accessible as possible to everyone who wants this . I was originally shooting for $150.00 usd price point, but it is probably going to have to come in around $175.00. The package will include the wireless HMD sensor, 2 wireless wearable rings (left and right index fingers), base station receiver, 6 rechargeable micro lipo batteries (3 extras), and USB charging station. The panel add-on should be around $50.00 usd.

      Miles
      Now Shipping 1 thru 425 for current production version 1
      PointCTRL General Information Post https://forums.eagle.ru/showpost.php...54&postcount=1
      PreOrder Wait List Submission https://pointctrl.com/elementor-8258/
      PointCTRL Support Discord https://discord.gg/jH5FktJ
      PintCTRL Website https://pointctrl.com/

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        #4
        Originally posted by MilesD View Post
        That long post and forgot to mention the price. I know this is a niche market but, I really want to make this as accessible as possible to everyone who wants this . I was originally shooting for $150.00 usd price point, but it is probably going to have to come in around $175.00. The package will include the wireless HMD sensor, 2 wireless wearable rings (left and right index fingers), base station receiver, 6 rechargeable micro lipo batteries (3 extras), and USB charging station. The panel add-on should be around $50.00 usd.

        Miles
        if the system end up working as advertised, this is very reasonable and I will be trying for sure. Cout me in. I have a Oculus rift

        thanks for your hard work
        Last edited 08-26-2018, 08:31 PM.
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          #5
          Sounds I interesting- would you ship overseas?

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            #6
            Two questions 1) do you need testers? 2) can you use just one device? Like on the left hand only for helos the right needs to stay on the cyclic during flight. It would be interesting to try out btw I can beta tease with any and all mods as I have them.
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              #7
              @ Oesau, I do plan too ship overseas, I have to do a bit more research on the CE certification.
              @ Blacley, PointCTRL will come with both left and right hand devices, however, you can wear only 1 if you want. I mostly fly helicopters also, but I always put both on because I often end up switching to the MI8, which requires using your right hand also for switches.
              Thanks for the interest,
              Miles

              Update:
              I cut the latest iteration of some test boards today, and I will be mounting the SMD components tomorrow. These are only to confirm production board design and circuitry. Production boards will be professionally manufactured.
              Last edited 08-28-2018, 07:15 PM. Reason: grammar
              Now Shipping 1 thru 425 for current production version 1
              PointCTRL General Information Post https://forums.eagle.ru/showpost.php...54&postcount=1
              PreOrder Wait List Submission https://pointctrl.com/elementor-8258/
              PointCTRL Support Discord https://discord.gg/jH5FktJ
              PintCTRL Website https://pointctrl.com/

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                #8
                As a VR only flyer since purchasing my Rift last year, this is exactly what I'm looking forward to!

                I'm onboard. I'd be glad to beta test and purchase.
                Keep me posted Miles
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                  #9
                  Originally posted by MilesD View Post
                  @ Oesau, I do plan too ship overseas, I have to do a bit more research on the CE certification.
                  @ Blackey, PointCTRL will come with both left and right hand devices, however, you can wear only 1 if you want. I mostly fly helicopters also, but I always put both on because I often end up switching to the MI8, which requires using your right hand also for switches.
                  Thanks for the interest,
                  Miles

                  Update:
                  I cut the latest iteration of some test boards today, and I will be mounting the SMD components tomorrow. These are only to confirm production board design and circuitry. Production boards will be professionally manufactured.
                  defintely count me in
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                    #10
                    Ok great - looking forward to the video to see it in action it I’m very keen

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                      #11
                      I have tried Miles' Device in vr and its pretty nice. I am looking forward t the finished product. Quite intuitive and small too.

                      Los

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                        #12
                        Something I would definitely be interested in.

                        If you can ship to the UK..."I'm in!"

                        Good luck with the development.
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                          #13
                          I`m curious for more infos on your device to come.
                          One question. Is it possible to use rotary knobs with the device? Like: pointing the cursor with your finger to the rotary knob in the cockpit, then pressing one of the three buttons on the device, holding it pressed and then moving your finger/hand slightly in one direction to move/rotate the rotary knob.
                          Last edited 08-28-2018, 09:16 AM.
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                            #14
                            That’s a good question.

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                              #15
                              Yes, I am interested... I like the ideas that someone who uses DCS is making this. I Would support this product because of that. The price point looks reasonable too. Count me in as a beta tester as I fly DCS every day!

                              Keep us posted.

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                                #16
                                Hi miles, this is definitely very interesting but it looks pretty similar to the captogloves.
                                For what I know the problems with the gloves are
                                1. no 3D positional tracking (only rotation).
                                2. no representation of your hand in the game.

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                                  #17
                                  Hey Guys,
                                  All great questions,

                                  @ Ram0506
                                  Your explanation is exactly how it works. Interactions with rotary knobs are identical to the mouse. A nice unintended feature is that in addition to moving the mouse away from the rotary knob with the mouse button held to rotate it, you can also just press one of the side mounted pushbuttons and rotate your hand left to make the dial rotate left and rotate your hand right to make it rotate right. I only became aware of this feature when I was watching a friend test it, and I asked him why was he was rotating his finger. He said, ”I'm turning the dials,” I said, “It doesn't work that way,” and he said, “Well, I'm turning the dials." Confused, I then watched him continue to change radio frequencies in this manner. I then realized that the IRLED on top of finger device was following an arc as he rotated his hand. This same intuitive rotation of the knob is seen by DCS as moving the mouse away from the knob, therefore rotating the knob. I know that was a long explanation, I should have just said, “Why yes, I designed it so you can rotate your hand to turn knobs.”

                                  @ Icebeat
                                  I don’t have Captogloves, but they appear to be a really great product with a much larger, and varied market than PointCTRL. I personally just don’t feel the current features are compatible with most flight sim requirements. As you referenced, their ability to measure X,Y rotational axis through gyroscopes and accelerometers, and not relative or absolute positional hand tracking, affects their functionality in a cockpit environment.
                                  PointCTRL has different design requirements which only focus on flight simulator cockpit interaction and functionality. The major difference between PointCTRL and CaptoGloves is hand tracking. PointCTRL has a micro camera that mounts to the HMD to track your index fingers 2D location relative to the direction of the HMD. Another difference is PointCTRL does not track your finger digits relative to your hand as CaptoGlove does. Early versions of PointCTRL utilized a gyro and accelerometers to measure finger movement. Even though you would flick your finger as you would a real switch to activate it, it just felt unnatural. I then moved on to a small touchpad alongside your finger. This was better, but still felt disconnected. Finally, I implemented my original thoughts to use tactile pushbuttons with a low operating force. I immediately knew this was what I was looking for. Using real pushbuttons allow you to easily identify them, and provide a tactile feedback concurrent with the switch or knob movement on the screen. If I only went with my original design I would have saved a month in development time. PointCTRL only has 2d positional tracking not 3d. Since we are emulating the currently implemented mouse cursor in any game, 3d is not required. All of PointCTRLs operational programming and processing is done on its own microcontrollers (4 of them). You just plug it in and it shows up as PointCTRL in the device manager and is recognized as a HID mouse. It works without any additional software running or sim developer implementation. PointCTRL also does not show your hands on the screen, it only shows the mouse curser that is in the game. Okay, less talk, more work for me.

                                  Thanks for the questions,

                                  Miles
                                  Last edited 08-28-2018, 07:11 PM. Reason: grammar
                                  Now Shipping 1 thru 425 for current production version 1
                                  PointCTRL General Information Post https://forums.eagle.ru/showpost.php...54&postcount=1
                                  PreOrder Wait List Submission https://pointctrl.com/elementor-8258/
                                  PointCTRL Support Discord https://discord.gg/jH5FktJ
                                  PintCTRL Website https://pointctrl.com/

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                                    #18
                                    Very interesting indeed
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                                      #19
                                      You've got my full attention, Miles.

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                                        #20
                                        Miles Incase you didn’t understand I’m a potential client
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