miahallen Posted September 19, 2011 Share Posted September 19, 2011 (edited) Before you start, I suggest you ensure your system is pretty fresh. I ran into major hold ups due to device driver & codec conflicts that existed on my system prior to starting. Part of troubleshooting lead me to reinstall Windows (which was long overdue anyhow). If you system has any issues, I'd suggest you figure those out before proceeding. My system specs (for the record): Intel i7 2600K @ 5.1GHz Asus Maximus IV Extreme P67 2x4GB G.Skill DDR3-1866 120GB Vertex 3 SSD & 500GB Seagate Momentus XT hybrid drive 3x GTX 580 in tri-SLI 2560x1600 Samsung 305T+ Windows 7 x64 Ultimate SP1 nVidia Forceware drivers 280.26 Logitech Webcam 9000Pro Saitek Cyborg Evo Force FFB joystick (FFB not working yet :joystick:) Download and install the faceAPI portion of the SeeingMachines headtracking Demo (after the 1st portion of installation when faceAPI finished, you can cancel the rest) Download and install the FaceTrackNoIR v130 program. Download the FaceTrackNoIR v150 update and extract the files to the FaceTrackNoIR directory overwriting the original files (I made a small donation to the FaceTrackNoIR author and he sent me the v160 update, I do not know if the v150 will work with my setup or not). Download the ED API interface x64 dll package and extracted the headtracker folder (with contents) into the game's "bin" directory. Next, start the FaceTrackNoIR program, and load the DCS_A10C.ini file (its in the headtracker folder you placed in the bin directory). Then select "faceAPI" under "Tracker Source" and select "Freetrack" under "Game protocol". Now press the "Start" button under the faceAPI option...your webcam image should be displayed on the left side and within a few seconds it should detect your face and highlight the tracked area in yellow as shown below. Next I spent a couple hours ALT-TAB'ing in and out of the game adjusting my curves until I found myself pretty happy with the following settings. Make sure you have decent lighting illuminating your face...indirect lighting is best, I made a video of my current settings so you can see it in action. Edited September 19, 2011 by miahallen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ED Team BIGNEWY Posted September 20, 2011 ED Team Share Posted September 20, 2011 The above method works, I also made a small donation to facetracknoir and was sent the 1.6 update. Just need to tweak my settings and get used to the head track itself Forum rules - DCS Crashing? Try this first - Cleanup and Repair - Discord BIGNEWY#8703 - Youtube - Patch Status Windows 11, NVIDIA MSI RTX 3090, Intel® i9-10900K 3.70GHz, 5.30GHz Turbo, Corsair Hydro Series H150i Pro, 64GB DDR @3200, ASUS ROG Strix Z490-F Gaming, HP Reverb G2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
miahallen Posted September 20, 2011 Author Share Posted September 20, 2011 Thanks for chiming in, I'm glad to hear it worked for you! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ED Team BIGNEWY Posted September 21, 2011 ED Team Share Posted September 21, 2011 (edited) Its taking a lot of getting used to for me, but I can see the benefits if I keep going with it :) My main problem is, it seems to sensitive. I have tried to adjust the curves and neutral zones, but it just seem to pick up every movement of my head. Am I right in thinking the neutral zones are like dead zones on a joystick, or have I got it completely wrong lol. from the facetrack site: Smoothing To process the raw headpose-data, FaceTrackNoIR has two features: smoothing and EWMA-filtering. Both features are meant to stabilize the raw headpose-data and remove spikes and jitter. The smoothing setting works for all 6 DOF's at once. It adds the values of the last x raw values and divides them by x, thus creating a 'moving average'. Try to keep this value low, because smoothing will logically lead to a slower response. Filtering From version 1.5 on, FaceTrackNoIR has a new EWMA-filter. It was designed to respond quicker to movement and still provide a smooth image, when not moving. The parameters: Min. (frames): influences the filters response to quick movements. The higher, the slower. Max. (frames): influences the filters response to slow movements. Again, the higher, slower. Curve (pow): influences the filters readiness to respond to changes in speed. Here, the higher the value, the faster it responds. any tips or pointers appreciated Edited September 21, 2011 by BIGNEWY Forum rules - DCS Crashing? Try this first - Cleanup and Repair - Discord BIGNEWY#8703 - Youtube - Patch Status Windows 11, NVIDIA MSI RTX 3090, Intel® i9-10900K 3.70GHz, 5.30GHz Turbo, Corsair Hydro Series H150i Pro, 64GB DDR @3200, ASUS ROG Strix Z490-F Gaming, HP Reverb G2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Username455 Posted September 21, 2011 Share Posted September 21, 2011 yes, neutral zone is like deadzones. to deal with the high sensitivity, I use a smoothing of 20, a min of 80, a max of 80, and a curve of 10 or 20 I dont remember. Still, it varies day by day depending on the lighting and also how many frames Im currently getting in game (at least it seems that way). Some days my view will go where it should with minimal shakes, others it will start doing 360's and bounce everywhere. Free software i guess huh? System: i7 920 @3.8ghz; GTX 560ti 448; 6gb DDR3 1600 ram; 750gb HDD; 750w PSU; Win7 64bit; x52 Pro; TrackIR 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ED Team BIGNEWY Posted September 21, 2011 ED Team Share Posted September 21, 2011 thanks for the reply ! yes its the chance you take with free software, they put a lot of work into it for little reward, and I am certainly great-full as it has saved me buying trackir so I can save for my thrustmaster hotas warthog lol. will play around a bit more and see if I can do better with my settings :) Forum rules - DCS Crashing? Try this first - Cleanup and Repair - Discord BIGNEWY#8703 - Youtube - Patch Status Windows 11, NVIDIA MSI RTX 3090, Intel® i9-10900K 3.70GHz, 5.30GHz Turbo, Corsair Hydro Series H150i Pro, 64GB DDR @3200, ASUS ROG Strix Z490-F Gaming, HP Reverb G2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meta Posted September 21, 2011 Share Posted September 21, 2011 Thanks for the step-by-step tutorial. Do you know what are the differences in Black Shark? Doing the same steps as for A10-C won't work for me :( Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boberro Posted September 21, 2011 Share Posted September 21, 2011 Thx for the tut, but I see quite big lags. Picture moves too slow compared to your head. Can be it adjusted? I tried to run this app but I got only error, later I'll try use your tip :) Reminder: Fighter pilots make movies. Bomber pilots make... HISTORY! :D | Also to be remembered: FRENCH TANKS HAVE ONE GEAR FORWARD AND FIVE BACKWARD :D ಠ_ಠ ツ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
miahallen Posted September 21, 2011 Author Share Posted September 21, 2011 There is a bit of lag...I don't think there is a way to prevent it :( Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Viper101 Posted September 22, 2011 Share Posted September 22, 2011 Can you make a tutorial for FC2, too? [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boberro Posted September 22, 2011 Share Posted September 22, 2011 I have: --------------------------- faceAPI Error --------------------------- Failed to initialize APIScope: Unspecified error --------------------------- OK --------------------------- So far it seems this program still needs much to do :) Reminder: Fighter pilots make movies. Bomber pilots make... HISTORY! :D | Also to be remembered: FRENCH TANKS HAVE ONE GEAR FORWARD AND FIVE BACKWARD :D ಠ_ಠ ツ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigBANGtheory Posted September 22, 2011 Share Posted September 22, 2011 Accurate & responsive head tracking with HD resolution + very wide FoV video head set is the way forward. I think this is a much closer reality than some of the investments in full body tracking and 3D with very mixed results. I hate to say it but what we really need is one of the next-gen consoles to adopt this and pony up for the dev costs and get such a device into mass production. Sony atleast seems to like video headsets atm.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
miahallen Posted September 22, 2011 Author Share Posted September 22, 2011 I have: So far it seems this program still needs much to do :) It's a known issue...pony up and donate for the v1.6 ;) http://facetracknoir.sourceforge.net/manual/knownissues.htm Accurate & responsive head tracking with HD resolution + very wide FoV video head set is the way forward. I think this is a much closer reality than some of the investments in full body tracking and 3D with very mixed results. I hate to say it but what we really need is one of the next-gen consoles to adopt this and pony up for the dev costs and get such a device into mass production. Sony atleast seems to like video headsets atm.... Ever heard of Kinect :music_whistling: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigBANGtheory Posted September 22, 2011 Share Posted September 22, 2011 Ever heard of Kinect :music_whistling: Sure, mine even runs with FTNoIR... I was reffering to the combination of a VR headset like the Sony HMZ-T1 with a headtracker, prefferably something a little more reliable than Kinect. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolf Rider Posted September 23, 2011 Share Posted September 23, 2011 It's a known issue...pony up and donate for the v1.6 seems the much vaunted 1.6 is being held to ransom..... what happened to "freeware"? City Hall is easier to fight, than a boys' club - an observation :P "Resort is had to ridicule only when reason is against us." - Jefferson "Give a group of potheads a bunch of weed and nothing to smoke out of, and they'll quickly turn into engineers... its simply amazing." EVGA X99 FTW, EVGA GTX980Ti FTW, i7 5930K, 16Gb Corsair Dominator 2666Hz, Windows 7 Ultimate 64Bit, Intel 520 SSD x 2, Samsung PX2370 monitor and all the other toys - "I am a leaf on the wind, watch how I soar" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr_Burns Posted September 26, 2011 Share Posted September 26, 2011 Im getting an APIScope failure - maybe i need the v1.6 - anyone got this working with 1.5? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Username455 Posted September 26, 2011 Share Posted September 26, 2011 If you a sandy bridge processor 1.5 won't work, gotta donate for version 1.6 System: i7 920 @3.8ghz; GTX 560ti 448; 6gb DDR3 1600 ram; 750gb HDD; 750w PSU; Win7 64bit; x52 Pro; TrackIR 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigBANGtheory Posted September 27, 2011 Share Posted September 27, 2011 ...or you could just share it, as its 'Free and OpenSource' according to the sourceforge website? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebluemantis Posted October 12, 2011 Share Posted October 12, 2011 Hey guys, Like some other people here I have not been able to get it to work. I have followed the correct steps (I believe) but have not been able to get it to work with fc2 or black shark. I am using windows vista 64bit and I have: Installed the faceapi file Installed facetracknoir (including the update to version 1.5) I then placed the headtracker folder into the bin directory of both fc2 and blackshark. I start facetracknoir (as administrator) with the profile set to the dcs a10c .ini file in the respective bin directory. I then set the output to freetrack. Facetracknoir seems to track my movements perfectly. I then start fc2 or black shark (as administrator) and nothing happens. I have tried the various key combinations listed (including alt+c) but it still doesn't work! I would be very thankful If anyone could help me out! [on a side not my bin directory seems empty except another folder labelled x86. Within this folder I find another named stable which seems to contain all the .dll files that other people's bin folders seems to contain. Any ideas?] Thanks in advance for anyone's help! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ED Team BIGNEWY Posted October 16, 2011 ED Team Share Posted October 16, 2011 If you have a newer processor you will need the facetracknoir 1.6 update, either wait for it to be released or make a small donation. It has been working well for me, although I have been limited to a logitech webcam at 30fps, I have just ordered a ps3 eye camera which will track at 120fps, once it arrives and I have it installed I will report my findings here. :) Forum rules - DCS Crashing? Try this first - Cleanup and Repair - Discord BIGNEWY#8703 - Youtube - Patch Status Windows 11, NVIDIA MSI RTX 3090, Intel® i9-10900K 3.70GHz, 5.30GHz Turbo, Corsair Hydro Series H150i Pro, 64GB DDR @3200, ASUS ROG Strix Z490-F Gaming, HP Reverb G2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigBANGtheory Posted October 17, 2011 Share Posted October 17, 2011 I think you will find the PS3eye will track at 60fps using the modifications to the USB driver ini file due to the resolution FTNoIR want to run at. I still can't seem to get the hotkeys working whilst in DCS A10C full screen, not sure whats up there others seem to be ok. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dudikoff Posted October 22, 2011 Share Posted October 22, 2011 I tried the version from the website with the 1.50 update. Seems to work ok on my laptop's webcam (apart from the already mentioned lag), but causes the simulator.exe to crash upon exiting (the standard "DCS A-10C has stopped working" message related to MSVCR80.dll), though that doesn't seem to cause any problems to the main exe as I get the mission report anyway. i386DX40@42 MHz w/i387 CP, 4 MB RAM (8*512 kB), Trident 8900C 1 MB w/16-bit RAMDAC ISA, Quantum 340 MB UDMA33, SB 16, DOS 6.22 w/QEMM + Win3.11CE, Quickshot 1btn 2axis, Numpad as hat. 2 FPH on a good day, 1 FPH avg. DISCLAIMER: My posts are still absolutely useless. Just finding excuses not to learn the F-14 (HB's Swansong?). Annoyed by my posts? Please consider donating. Once the target sum is reached, I'll be off to somewhere nice I promise not to post from. I'd buy that for a dollar! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prophet Posted October 22, 2011 Share Posted October 22, 2011 If you have to donate for 1.6... its not donating. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigBANGtheory Posted October 22, 2011 Share Posted October 22, 2011 If you have to donate for 1.6... its not donating. Particularly (as time goes on) if the beta 1.6 turns out to be very similar to the public 1.6. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Advicepuppy Posted October 26, 2011 Share Posted October 26, 2011 I'm sorry, I can't help it Intel i7 2600K @ 5.1GHz Asus Maximus IV Extreme P67 2x4GB G.Skill DDR3-1866 120GB Vertex 3 SSD & 500GB Seagate Momentus XT hybrid drive 3x GTX 580 in tri-SLI 2560x1600 Samsung 305T+ Windows 7 x64 Ultimate SP1 nVidia Forceware drivers 280.26 Logitech Webcam 9000Pro Saitek Cyborg Evo Force FFB joystick (FFB not working yet ) HOLY S***! What'd that run you, 2 arms and your life savings? Jesus Christ xD Been using FTNOIR for a while now, and am beginning to get it to behave like I don't have parkinson's in my neck :P We'll see how it goes. I may very well get TIR5, though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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