Dr. Mitsos Posted June 29, 2009 Share Posted June 29, 2009 Well... first of all i would like to ask how many future DCS aircrafts are capable for this... And afterwards... will you make it available for the supported aircrafts???:joystick: [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Parachutes are like minds.. They work better when they are open.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
press Posted June 29, 2009 Share Posted June 29, 2009 Only when hit by a missle. Otherwise: none is capable of that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CAT_101st Posted June 29, 2009 Share Posted June 29, 2009 (edited) My DAD flew the FB-111 in the USAF. And my grand father helped desin it. I have one of the early releass of the beta (for lack of a better word) test manuals befor production only about 300 were made. Edit: was wrong only 200 copys were made. photos of book http://www.vampiresofwar.com/forum/uploads/CAT/F111%20book1.JPG http://www.vampiresofwar.com/forum/uploads/CAT/F111%20book2.JPG http://www.vampiresofwar.com/forum/uploads/CAT/F111%20book3.JPG Edited June 29, 2009 by CAT_101st pics Home built PC Win 10 Pro 64bit, MB ASUS Z170 WS, 6700K, EVGA 1080Ti Hybrid, 32GB DDR4 3200, Thermaltake 120x360 RAD, Custom built A-10C sim pit, TM WARTHOG HOTAS, Cougar MFD's, 3D printed UFC and Saitek rudders. HTC VIVE VR. https://digitalcombatmercenaries.enjin.com/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Mitsos Posted June 29, 2009 Author Share Posted June 29, 2009 My DAD flew the FB-111 in the USAF. And my grand father helped desin it. I have one of the early releass of the beta (for lack of a better word) test manuals befor production only about 300 were made. Edit: was wrong only 200 copys were made. photos of book http://www.vampiresofwar.com/forum/uploads/CAT/F111%20book1.JPG http://www.vampiresofwar.com/forum/uploads/CAT/F111%20book2.JPG http://www.vampiresofwar.com/forum/uploads/CAT/F111%20book3.JPG WOW!!! Awesome! You must be really proud! [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Parachutes are like minds.. They work better when they are open.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weta43 Posted June 30, 2009 Share Posted June 30, 2009 Well... first of all i would like to ask how many future DCS aircrafts are capable for this.. As far as I know, there is no definative list of what aircraft will be in DCS beyond those already being worked on. So, without knowing what's coming, my guess would be any that can do it IRL, & none that can't. Cheers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted June 30, 2009 Share Posted June 30, 2009 Can I ask what the purpose of dumping and burning your fuel is? (other than wasting taxpayer dollars) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bumfire Posted June 30, 2009 Share Posted June 30, 2009 I would think that if ED add planes that are capable of such a DaB like the f111, then those planes will get it, as lockon has dump fuel although not where it catches fire, but I spose if ed were modelling a plane to the degree that they have for the KA-50 and if said plane was well known or even famous for its dump and burn capability then I would take a guess and say that they would model it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bumfire Posted June 30, 2009 Share Posted June 30, 2009 Can I ask what the purpose of dumping and burning your fuel is? (other than wasting taxpayer dollars) For emergency purposes, thats about it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bumfire Posted June 30, 2009 Share Posted June 30, 2009 My DAD flew the FB-111 in the USAF. And my grand father helped desin it. I have one of the early releass of the beta (for lack of a better word) test manuals befor production only about 300 were made. Edit: was wrong only 200 copys were made. photos of book http://www.vampiresofwar.com/forum/uploads/CAT/F111%20book1.JPG http://www.vampiresofwar.com/forum/uploads/CAT/F111%20book2.JPG http://www.vampiresofwar.com/forum/uploads/CAT/F111%20book3.JPG Photocopy that badboy and stick it on the net for all us F111 lovers :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlphaOneSix Posted June 30, 2009 Share Posted June 30, 2009 Dumping fuel is a valid emergency procedure. Setting it on fire is just something for airshows and has no other use. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fox_111 Posted June 30, 2009 Share Posted June 30, 2009 Dumping fuel is a valid emergency procedure. Setting it on fire is just something for airshows and has no other use. I'd say it prevent the fuel from hitting the ground and poluting, if at low altitude. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bumfire Posted June 30, 2009 Share Posted June 30, 2009 I would think that if your that low and you did a DaB then it would be worse than just dumping because who would want an ocean of burning jetfuel landing on them ? or landing on trees/forest and starting a fire needlessly. Burning it is just for showing off, their is no reason to do so other than at airshows, pollution, well I would think that the tiny amount that will hit the ground in any one place wouldnt be enough to cause major drama. Jet fuel is toxic but over a wide area wont cause a problem I wouldnt think ? and flying a plane thats doing say 500mph minimum or thereabouts isnt exactly going to dump its fuel all in one spot like an aerial fire tanker would. In the end it boils down to this, Dumping alone is a valid emergency procedure, dumping and burning can turn the emergency into a crisis as introducing fire into a situation where all your concentration is needed wouldnt be a good thing in my book and in an emergency I dont think the afterburners would be a good idea also. Then again, I am not a pilot, I am just using some common sense to figure it out and what I personally wouldnt do if faced with a situation that needed me to dump fuel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CAT_101st Posted June 30, 2009 Share Posted June 30, 2009 Photocopy that badboy and stick it on the net for all us F111 lovers :) It will take me some time to do so. I will try to scan it in and put it in a PDF file for you. :book: 1 Home built PC Win 10 Pro 64bit, MB ASUS Z170 WS, 6700K, EVGA 1080Ti Hybrid, 32GB DDR4 3200, Thermaltake 120x360 RAD, Custom built A-10C sim pit, TM WARTHOG HOTAS, Cougar MFD's, 3D printed UFC and Saitek rudders. HTC VIVE VR. https://digitalcombatmercenaries.enjin.com/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bumfire Posted June 30, 2009 Share Posted June 30, 2009 It will take me some time to do so. I will try to scan it in and put it in a PDF file for you. :book: Thanks man :thumbup: Its very much appreaciated ;) If you want somewhere that will be able to host the manual so that everyone who wants a copy can grab a copy without time limits or download limits then lemme know, as I have a couple servers that are just sitting idle at the moment and I will gladly let you upload the file/manual so that all of us here who wants a copy can get a copy :) Thanks again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Mitsos Posted July 1, 2009 Author Share Posted July 1, 2009 It will take me some time to do so. I will try to scan it in and put it in a PDF file for you. :book: F-111 Aardvark Pilot's Flight Operating Manual http://books.google.gr/books?id=of0lJiN3XiEC&printsec=frontcover&source=gbs_v2_summary_r&cad=0 [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Parachutes are like minds.. They work better when they are open.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bumfire Posted July 1, 2009 Share Posted July 1, 2009 Is that the same manual you have CAT_101 ? Thanks for the link Dr Mitsos ;) 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CAT_101st Posted July 2, 2009 Share Posted July 2, 2009 No. The manual I have was a test manual wile the firs prototype was being built. it is a rough draft of the final manual. It may be the only one left in existance. My grandfather desined the singel tail stabliser for the F-111a anf F-111b. witch is one of its failling points for the Navy model the F-111b. I hardly ever take this manual out of the safe. Home built PC Win 10 Pro 64bit, MB ASUS Z170 WS, 6700K, EVGA 1080Ti Hybrid, 32GB DDR4 3200, Thermaltake 120x360 RAD, Custom built A-10C sim pit, TM WARTHOG HOTAS, Cougar MFD's, 3D printed UFC and Saitek rudders. HTC VIVE VR. https://digitalcombatmercenaries.enjin.com/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bumfire Posted July 2, 2009 Share Posted July 2, 2009 Ok, well if you do decide to scan it, you be VERY CAREFUL with it, and if scanning is going to cause any problems to it, then dont scan, we will understand ;) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CAT_101st Posted July 2, 2009 Share Posted July 2, 2009 (edited) Well I am planing on scaning it in tomarow. I will have the time to do it right and with clean gloves. I want to be able to read thrue the book my self with out worry of damidge to it. And scaning it in is the perfict solution. Looking at it agin the dook was printed in 1966 and the first flight on the F-111 was in 1964 I am a little unclear of the time frame during the early years. I never realy got to know my grand father as he crashed in a twin prop Censa over the Rockys whin I was very young. Never got a chance to here his storys. just the ones that my dad tells me. Ok enough of that...... Hope to have the DL ready by monday. I will host it on my web site in the down loads section. Edit: I culd not wait to do some reserch on this. This manual is not a flight manual rather a genral information manual for ground crews. This book also includes information on the F-111b that was canseled in 1968. This books date in 1966. There are pages in the back that show the changes made to the manual. A few of the fold out pages I will have to take to a coppy shop to have scaned because of the size of my scaner is not big enough. some of the info for the F-111b showse the scan area of the RDR and other options that may have not prevously ben known. I also just found out that in 2010 the RAF (the last country still using the F-111) will be replacing the F-111 with the new F-18 E/F. Edited July 2, 2009 by CAT_101st Home built PC Win 10 Pro 64bit, MB ASUS Z170 WS, 6700K, EVGA 1080Ti Hybrid, 32GB DDR4 3200, Thermaltake 120x360 RAD, Custom built A-10C sim pit, TM WARTHOG HOTAS, Cougar MFD's, 3D printed UFC and Saitek rudders. HTC VIVE VR. https://digitalcombatmercenaries.enjin.com/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AussieFX Posted July 2, 2009 Share Posted July 2, 2009 Can I ask what the purpose of dumping and burning your fuel is? (other than wasting taxpayer dollars) I have seen this done many times. It's great to watch. An F111 pilot told me that if you don't head for the heavens immediately upon lighting you will rapidly go supersonic. I have never seen this attempted on any other aircraft so I assume there's something different in the F111 design that allows it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AussieFX Posted July 2, 2009 Share Posted July 2, 2009 (edited) I also just found out that in 2010 the RAF (the last country still using the F-111) will be replacing the F-111 with the new F-18 E/F. Actually it's the RAAF and even though we are getting some more Hornets it's more to cover the F35 being late. The F111 is scheduled for retirement in mid 2020's last I heard. There is nothing currently available that can beat it for our needs so the RAAF is trying to keep it in service for as long as possible using retired US aircraft for spares. Edited July 2, 2009 by AussieFX Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CAT_101st Posted July 2, 2009 Share Posted July 2, 2009 Ok guys I have the file up on my downloads page. You can get their by clicking on the link in my sig.. Enjoy:book: Home built PC Win 10 Pro 64bit, MB ASUS Z170 WS, 6700K, EVGA 1080Ti Hybrid, 32GB DDR4 3200, Thermaltake 120x360 RAD, Custom built A-10C sim pit, TM WARTHOG HOTAS, Cougar MFD's, 3D printed UFC and Saitek rudders. HTC VIVE VR. https://digitalcombatmercenaries.enjin.com/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bumfire Posted July 2, 2009 Share Posted July 2, 2009 Cool, cheers Cat ;) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bumfire Posted July 2, 2009 Share Posted July 2, 2009 I have seen this done many times. It's great to watch. An F111 pilot told me that if you don't head for the heavens immediately upon lighting you will rapidly go supersonic. I have never seen this attempted on any other aircraft so I assume there's something different in the F111 design that allows it. What I am lead to believe is, that the actual dump and burn process does not produce extra thrust, but I spose having the afterburners on whilst dumping will make the plane go crazy fast and it will reach supersonic speeds if its going straight and level :) but the actual act of dumping fuel and igniting it doesnt make the plane go any faster. But it sure does look nice, and must be a crowd pleaser, I would love to see if for real myself but sadly I think those days are over :( Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AussieFX Posted July 3, 2009 Share Posted July 3, 2009 Yeah they have problems on overcast days as they have to shoot straight up into the clouds by necessity. I might be wrong but I'm sure the RAAF have enabled this somehow as I can't believe it would be part of a normal fuel dump. It looks great at night, I have an old photo somewhere where I was 50 miles away and it lit up the sky. An amazing sight. :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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