Improved FLIR Simulation

You are wrong and this is not true. Most of the ppl. want what´s necessary for a SIMULATION- a truely simulated flir.

 

Since this is a flight simulator with realistic flight model, weapons, radar, navigation, and weather. Why accept a cheap trade-off for a very very very core element of modern warfare: Heat signature based air to ground resp. ground to ground combat. Re-think of it. I would gladely pay for a dcs-world 3 or a-10c version 2 with enhanced imaging! (As ppl. already did with blackshark and flaming cliffs - remember?).

So you rather want to wait 2-n years and then pay for it - and in the mean time have a _totally_ useless TGP? Or would you rather want a TGP that is at least not worse than what we had in 1.2.x, the bug fixed ... and THEN perhaps wait 2-n years for something better?

You are wrong and this is not true. Most of the ppl. want what´s necessary for a SIMULATION- a truely simulated flir.

 

Since this is a flight simulator with realistic flight model, weapons, radar, navigation, and weather. Why accept a cheap trade-off for a very very very core element of modern warfare: Heat signature based air to ground resp. ground to ground combat. Re-think of it. I would gladely pay for a dcs-world 3 or a-10c version 2 with enhanced imaging! (As ppl. already did with blackshark and flaming cliffs - remember?).

+1

Maybe we should just make a poll. A-10C version 2. What features, price ...

Then again, maybe the work on the F/A 18 will be brought over to the Warthog.

What about CA IR simulation ?

This one never worked, even in 1.2 - If the same tech was used, that mean they are individual settings located somewhere. That mean they are chances we can impact those "pixel" rendering math settings.

So you rather want to wait 2-n years and then pay for it - and in the mean time have a _totally_ useless TGP? Or would you rather want a TGP that is at least not worse than what we had in 1.2.x, the bug fixed ... and THEN perhaps wait 2-n years for something better?

I want a working flir and no compromise. Unless then i wont buy any other modules or campaigns or maps or whatever. And if it takes more money - who cares? This sim is by far too cheap anyways. If it takes more time - so what? Fixing flir should have been top priority (bs2, a10c, CA) because it is broken since a10 beta and BS1. Broken!

Same with see-through, respectively radar-through mountains and forests of AI units. This is CORE so it should have worked from the beginning.

I love this sim by far too much, and a since ED is the only company producing a military SIM with so much effort for tiny details (just look at the cbu mechanics), I am absolutely positive that a working flir is within range.

So, no bug fix - to get at least back to what we had in 1.2.x - for you. Got it.

I really thought ED would have redesigned the FLIR for 2.0 :(

FLIR has always been the weakest part on the A10C and i coped with it. But for the love of all that flies dont let the F/A-18C go the same path...

Does anyone know how they did the FLIR/Thermal imaging in ARMA3?

I fly the Hog since Oct. 2010 and FLIR was always good enough for me :thumbup:

but now i play the great TEW DLC and i am unable to find/see all targets. :joystick:

Sorry but: This is Bullshit! I´m a DCS freak and i know about the circumstances but

if i were a new customer to the sim i would think, Arrgghh... WTF?!:mad:

It´s a shame! ED please try to solve this problem also for all new players!

I guess I found a workaround, more or less by accident.

 

Applying the workaround:

 

1. Check your visibility range setting: Options -> System -> VISIB RANGE

 

2. Edit the appropriate Lua file in \Config\terrain using Notepad++:

C:\Program Files\Eagle Dynamics\DCS World OpenBeta\Config\terrain\{WHATEVER}.lua

(Should be one of Low.lua, Medium.lua, High.lua, Ultra.lua or Extreme.lua)

 

3. Change the noisemax value to 0.5:

 

--Old Noise 
land_noise =
{
   noisemin = 0.0;
   [b]noisemax = 0.5;[/b]
   noise1front = 1000.0; 
   noise1back = 30000.0;
   noise1top = 2500.0;
   noise1bottom = 2000.0;
   noise1PerSquare = 4.0;
   noise2PerSquare = 150.0;
}

4. Launch DCS and happy hunting.

 

Finally, a word towards ED: The TGP worked okay in 1.2. It was almost entirely broken in 1.5. This is not a wishlist item, this is a bug.

Thank you Yurgon will try it now!

The topic has been moved to the wishlist section. As said by Yurgon it is a bug that should be fixed. It is not a wish.

Ok, then they have to change the name of thread too.

From "improved FLIR simulation" to "workable FLIR simulation"

Does anyone know how they did the FLIR/Thermal imaging in ARMA3?

This is from Virtual battlespace 2 just to get an idea:

https://manuals.bisimulations.com/vbs2/1-50/devref/Content/Adding_Models/How_to/AMHT_Thermal_Imaging_How.htm

yep TGP worked much better in 1.2, now in 1.5 it is practically useless, the trucks blend in perfectly with the ground.

Well, many vehicles would blend perfectly with the terrain if they are not having different temperatures.

Trucks are mostly same temperature than background, the engine and possible cockpit having different temperatures (and tires if driving around).

Like Steel Beasts does it well:

And those are the thermal maps when those vehicles has been moving and firing.

And the thermal map starts fading off once vehicle isn't moving (tracks/tires starts fade) or has not been firing for a moment (barrel, weapons etc) or when the engine has been turned off (engine block).

So vehicle standing still somewhere isn't easy to spot with FLIR at all.

And in Steel Beasts it works that you simply turn engine off to listen environment where enemy might move, you lower your thermal image so person just using thermals doesn't spot you at all and you can surprise them.

But we don't even have a working cover system in DCS or we don't have system where FLIR would could be rendered blind just by covering the vehicles with nets etc.

Pilots just seem to wish that their FLIR would be god mighty eye that sees everything at glance.

Try to see this kind vehicle via thermal camera:

Very difficult to spot at all.

I see that really good.

ED should do something with terrain look in TV.

Not sure why this is in the Wishlist category... the FLIR is frequently unusable (broken) in many situations. As far as a simulator is concerned, this isn't being simulated very well.

While I'm sure people are busy, a "We recognize there's a problem" comment from a dev would go along way.

This is from Virtual battlespace 2 just to get an idea:

 

https://manuals.bisimulations.com/vbs2/1-50/devref/Content/Adding_Models/How_to/AMHT_Thermal_Imaging_How.htm

Thank you ! Very nice explenation how things are done.

Seems to me to implement a proper FLIR/Thermal device DCS 2.0 needs proper thermal maps.

FLIR issues are being investigated for the older map, thats all I can say right now, and honestly dont remember if I already stated that, but there it is again if I did :)

YES!! This response made my day! I knew my faith wasn't misplaced! :pilotfly:

Just flew a fast mission in the new 1.5 release, it seems to work ok in snow covered terrain... maybe they fixed something

FLIR issues are being investigated for the older map, thats all I can say right now, and honestly dont remember if I already stated that, but there it is again if I did :)

Thanks, good to know.

Just flew a fast mission in the new 1.5 release, it seems to work ok in snow covered terrain... maybe they fixed something

It always worked fine like that, the green vehicles on a white background is a lot of contrast.

FLIR issues are being investigated for the older map, thats all I can say right now, and honestly dont remember if I already stated that, but there it is again if I did :)

Thanks Sith, I have been keeping a close eye on all these FLIR threads and I think this is the first response we got from anyone official. Appreciate it!

I was doing a misision, where i could not see the heatsignature from these tanks, even though they had been moving for several minutes (See attached screenshot)

A semi working FLIR really is a fuelhungry "feature", since you have to loiter for several minutes to spot the enemy, and makes it pretty difficult to loiter 15nm out to spot targets before a attack run.

Is it possible to change the skins of the vehicles, instead of changing the noisemax value? In mission editor or in any of the .lua files?

Is it possible to change the skins of the vehicles, instead of changing the noisemax value? In mission editor or in any of the .lua files?

If you change the color of the vehicles, they'll stand out even less, unless you also adapt the TGP implementation, which i currently doubt is possible via .lua.

Could a temporary expedient be to reduce the noisemax value for the TGP display only? Is this possible?