Unrecoverable blackout

Is the unrecoverable blackout in the Su-27 somehow realistic?

My friend and I were messing around trying to see where some of the limits with this thing are and one thing we noticed is that if you go into an inverted departure you black out and don't recover. You just fall to the ground and die.

The part that seems off is that you're doing 1, maybe 1.1 G lofting out of the sky, at least according to the external view, and you never recover from the blackout. You can't control anything and you eventually hit the ground without a hope.

If you're dead because you scrambled your brain shouldn't it go to external view like any other aircraft? If you blacked out, shouldn't you recover after some time at 1G?

The Su-33 and Mig-29 are more real than the new catastrophic PFM for Su-27. Change the aircraft and enjoy DCS

Is the unrecoverable blackout in the Su-27 somehow realistic?

 

My friend and I were messing around trying to see where some of the limits with this thing are and one thing we noticed is that if you go into an inverted departure you black out and don't recover. You just fall to the ground and die.

 

The part that seems off is that you're doing 1, maybe 1.1 G lofting out of the sky, at least according to the external view, and you never recover from the blackout. You can't control anything and you eventually hit the ground without a hope.

 

If you're dead because you scrambled your brain shouldn't it go to external view like any other aircraft? If you blacked out, shouldn't you recover after some time at 1G?

Not necessarily realistic but, rather, something of a compromise: Negative G Blackout

Rich

The Su-33 and Mig-29 are more real than the new catastrophic PFM for Su-27. Change the aircraft and enjoy DCS

Well, we were doing OK after even just a short time. We figured out how not to get into those inverted departures and just don't push the nose down like that. However, neither one of us is experienced with the aircraft and we started messing around trying to do Cobra's and what not. At our skill level with the aircraft it's not surprising we ended up splattered. My only confusion was how at 1G we were still blacked out, but if we flat knocked ourselves out doing extremely hard maneuvers I guess it is what it is.

The Su-33 and Mig-29 are more real than the new catastrophic PFM for Su-27. Change the aircraft and enjoy DCS

If you can't fly the Su-27 then don't fly it.

The part that seems off is that you're doing 1, maybe 1.1 G lofting out of the sky, at least according to the external view,

May or may no apply here, but keep in mind that the external g is for the aircraft. The pilot might feel additional g loads from rotation. Example, roll really fast and the plane might not feel much different from 1 g flight, but the pilot will be accelerating in a tight circle and may black out.

As far as I could tell there was no significant spin. I can reproduce it later and look in tac view. I dont know how many G's initiated the black out, but knocking off ASC in super sonic flight probably isn't the smartest thing to do...

a quick lunchtime look at tacview says I went from 14.5G's to -5.2G's in a split second, followed by a maintained -1G (not 1G as I previously thought). so ya, I think that blackout is legit.

Is the unrecoverable blackout in the Su-27 somehow realistic?

 

My friend and I were messing around trying to see where some of the limits with this thing are and one thing we noticed is that if you go into an inverted departure you black out and don't recover. You just fall to the ground and die.

 

The part that seems off is that you're doing 1, maybe 1.1 G lofting out of the sky, at least according to the external view, and you never recover from the blackout. You can't control anything and you eventually hit the ground without a hope.

 

If you're dead because you scrambled your brain shouldn't it go to external view like any other aircraft? If you blacked out, shouldn't you recover after some time at 1G?

Negative Gs are different. In real life very little exists that will counteract them, and the normal human maximum is somewhere in the -3G range. While it's rare but not unheard of for people hung upside down (-1G) for long periods of time to lose consciousness and die.

So in DCS when the Su-27 noses over into a -9G departure because you hit the ASC key you're already in for a long nap if not a fatal stroke, while the sustained -1G as your plane coasts to the ground upside-down delays your recovery indefinitely. This is probably close enough to reality.

but if we flat knocked ourselves out doing extremely hard maneuvers I guess it is what it is.

This is the official explanation from ED on what happens when your pilot fails to wake up.

"The Su-33 and Mig-29 are more real than the new catastrophic PFM for Su-27"

:lol::megalol:

clumsiness leads the people to talk rubbish:joystick:

:lol::megalol:

clumsiness leads the people to talk rubbish:joystick:

Indeed.