dimitriov Posted January 31, 2014 Share Posted January 31, 2014 hi! I come to you today because there might be a new issue since the last 1.2.7 + hotfix release. Here it is. Usually, the kh-25ML takes a speed around 3000 km/h and can hit a target above 17 km... The engines work during 2/3 of the way. (sorry for my english ;) ) Now, and as you'll see it on the video, the missile goes down during 2-3 seconds before pulling up, and then, its engines shut down. Altitude doesn't matter. On the video, I tried with 500m, but I too tried from 4000 m. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rShrbRw6GrE&feature=youtu.be So, as you can see, the missile crashes around 8 km before its target (from 4000 m around 5km before it), I did the illumination process as I always do it. And before the 1.2.7, i used to launch such missile once per week. With success obviously. The missile is still going to its target! So it seems that the kh-25ML thinks that it has become a glider. But it's not... :music_whistling: I precise that being an instructor in a french squad, I recently met this bug during a course, and my pupils had the same issue than me. If you could please confirm the bug, and fix it, it would be quite great, ka-50 is the only aircraft in DCS which usually doesn't suffer from the updates issues ;). But perhaps did I do something wrong? :huh: Nicolas Ps: sorry again for my poor, very poor english :megalol: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skulleader Posted February 2, 2014 Share Posted February 2, 2014 Hello my dear Dimitriov aka Nicolas, Me too I meet the same problem that you, if I can launch my kh-25ML the engines of my kh-25ML are cut off and of course the missile crash on the ground. Other problem that I've found with my kh-25ML and my KA-50 v1.2.7: 3.2 km: OK mon kh-25ML hit my target. 4.8 km: OK mon kh-25ML hit my target. 6.9 km: OK mon kh-25ML hit my target. 7.4 km: OK mon kh-25ML hit my target. With these distances after to have lock my target I can read one countdown 7 or 8 seconds and after I can launch my kh-25ML. Beyond these ranges impossible to lock my kh-25ML and after to have lock my target I can read one countdown of 2 or 3 secondes and impossible to launch my kh-25ML. Is it one problem with the laser or the lock system ? One new bug created with the last upgarde V1.2.7 ? Please if anybody members of this forum can help us it's will be cool from your part. A great thanks in advance and best regards. Skull [sIGPIC]http://forums.eagle.ru/signaturepics/sigpic93192_6.gif[/sIGPIC] My Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100006748814655 My P-51D's Mod: http://forums.eagle.ru/showthread.php?t=142739 One of my few skins : https://www.digitalcombatsimulator.com/en/files/1452845/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flagrum Posted February 2, 2014 Share Posted February 2, 2014 Hello my dear Dimitriov aka Nicolas, Me too I meet the same problem that you, if I can launch my kh-25ML the engines of my kh-25ML are cut off and of course the missile crash on the ground. Other problem that I've found with my kh-25ML and my KA-50 v1.2.7: 3.2 km: OK mon kh-25ML hit my target. 4.8 km: OK mon kh-25ML hit my target. 6.9 km: OK mon kh-25ML hit my target. 7.4 km: OK mon kh-25ML hit my target. With these distances after to have lock my target I can read one countdown 7 or 8 seconds and after I can launch my kh-25ML. Beyond these ranges impossible to lock my kh-25ML and after to have lock my target I can read one countdown of 2 or 3 secondes and impossible to launch my kh-25ML. Is it one problem with the laser or the lock system ? One new bug created with the last upgarde V1.2.7 ? Please if anybody members of this forum can help us it's will be cool from your part. A great thanks in advance and best regards. Skull Sounds like this known bug: http://forums.eagle.ru/showthread.php?t=119222 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dimitriov Posted February 2, 2014 Author Share Posted February 2, 2014 Yes but there it's not a "loosing altitude" issue : the kh-25 is no more usable for heavies sams or ships, can't hit a target over 7km! Even the vikhr can hit a target from nearly 10 km! :( Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Silver_Dragon Posted February 2, 2014 Share Posted February 2, 2014 Ka-25ML AFM has on WIP Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
karambiatos Posted February 2, 2014 Share Posted February 2, 2014 Yes but there it's not a "loosing altitude" issue : the kh-25 is no more usable for heavies sams or ships, can't hit a target over 7km! Even the vikhr can hit a target from nearly 10 km! :( right now 10km hits in the vikhr are only really possible upwind. A 1000 flights, a 1000 crashes, perfect record. =&arrFilter_pf[gameversion]=&arrFilter_pf[filelang]=&arrFilter_pf[aircraft]=&arrFilter_DATE_CREATE_1_DAYS_TO_BACK=&sort_by_order=TIMESTAMP_X_DESC"] Check out my random mods and things Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pepin1234 Posted February 3, 2014 Share Posted February 3, 2014 Ka-25ML AFM has on WIP Kh-25ML have been downgraded, this is not a WIP stage. Probably will be like that for a Long time. The same Situation we have with the Air-Air Missile. They were WIP... so look how Long time is the R-77 broken... [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skulleader Posted February 3, 2014 Share Posted February 3, 2014 Kh-25ML have been downgraded, this is not a WIP stage. Why downgraded ? In the real life the KH-25ML is also downgraded ? Please can you give us more information aout the range of this missile ? Thanks in advance, Skull. [sIGPIC]http://forums.eagle.ru/signaturepics/sigpic93192_6.gif[/sIGPIC] My Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100006748814655 My P-51D's Mod: http://forums.eagle.ru/showthread.php?t=142739 One of my few skins : https://www.digitalcombatsimulator.com/en/files/1452845/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pepin1234 Posted February 3, 2014 Share Posted February 3, 2014 Why downgraded ? In the real life the KH-25ML is also downgraded ? Please can you give us more information aout the range of this missile ? Thanks in advance, Skull. I am sorry mate... I just could say you, everything don't seem to be for a real (Simulation) reason. This is a trade... [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flagrum Posted February 3, 2014 Share Posted February 3, 2014 Kh-25ML have been downgraded, this is not a WIP stage. Probably will be like that for a Long time. The same Situation we have with the Air-Air Missile. They were WIP... so look how Long time is the R-77 broken... It is WIP according to http://forums.eagle.ru/showpost.php?p=1973789&postcount=2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pepin1234 Posted February 3, 2014 Share Posted February 3, 2014 It is WIP according to http://forums.eagle.ru/showpost.php?p=1973789&postcount=2 Yes it is WIP. I told you like the R-77, but in Long WIP stage this one. More than 6 months... .. The kills against Mig-29 are WIP too. The same with the kills against Ka-50, Su-25T and Su-25A by IR Air-defences becuase the Kh-25ML is in "WIP" stage. [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dimitriov Posted February 3, 2014 Author Share Posted February 3, 2014 OK thank you for your answers, I hope that it will soon be fixed... For the vikhr, sure upwind, but possible... ^^ Cause now the kh-25 has become a "big vikhr" ^^ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Silver_Dragon Posted February 3, 2014 Share Posted February 3, 2014 AFM on air to air missiles and Air to surface missiles have no complete. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nickexists Posted March 18, 2014 Share Posted March 18, 2014 It's a shame that the 25ml isn't working anymore. Isn't there a way that a file could be modified so that the current flight model could be replaced with an older one? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Macross Posted March 19, 2014 Share Posted March 19, 2014 I thought I was loosing my mind... Kinda glad its since the update and not me loosing my marbles. [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BaD CrC Posted April 4, 2014 Share Posted April 4, 2014 Up. Still nothing with 1.2.8. https://www.blacksharkden.com http://discord.gg/blacksharkden Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr_Arrow Posted April 4, 2014 Share Posted April 4, 2014 Up. Still nothing with 1.2.8. This is really bad news :( Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BitMaster Posted September 17, 2014 Share Posted September 17, 2014 1.2.10....and counting..... Gigabyte Aorus X570S Master - Ryzen 5900X - Gskill 64GB 3200/CL14@3600/CL14 - Asus 1080ti EK-waterblock - 4x Samsung 980Pro 1TB - 1x Samsung 870 Evo 1TB - 1x SanDisc 120GB SSD - Heatkiller IV - MoRa3-360LT@9x120mm Noctua F12 - Corsair AXi-1200 - TiR5-Pro - Warthog Hotas - Saitek Combat Pedals - Asus PG278Q 27" QHD Gsync 144Hz - Corsair K70 RGB Pro - Win11 Pro/Linux - Phanteks Evolv-X Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sten_MkIIs Posted January 29, 2015 Share Posted January 29, 2015 Just FYI: IRL it's impossible to use X-25 on KA-50. Speed is too low for launch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GGTharos Posted January 29, 2015 Share Posted January 29, 2015 Correct. It shouldn't really work to begin with. [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Reminder: SAM = Speed Bump :D I used to play flight sims like you, but then I took a slammer to the knee - Yoda Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flagrum Posted January 29, 2015 Share Posted January 29, 2015 Correct. It shouldn't really work to begin with. So it actually "works as intended" now? Why was it then modelled into DCS Blackshark in the first place - as the real helo then probably also never really used it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GGTharos Posted January 29, 2015 Share Posted January 29, 2015 For gameplay reasons, I suppose? :) A Kh-25 with a proper FM might well take off from a Ka-50. They did test it in RL, IIRC - but there may be issues with igniting the rocket motor, and even if not, the missile has to accelerate out of very slow launch speed, so performance will suffer severely. Regardless of what ED does now (removes the Kh-25 from play for Ka-50 or leaves it in), if they give it a proper FM, it will never again fly like it used to. And that'll probably be one of the reasons why it was never fielder. So it actually "works as intended" now? Why was it then modelled into DCS Blackshark in the first place - as the real helo then probably also never really used it? [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Reminder: SAM = Speed Bump :D I used to play flight sims like you, but then I took a slammer to the knee - Yoda Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nickexists Posted January 29, 2015 Share Posted January 29, 2015 According to this: http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/missile/row/as-10.htm The kh-25ml was approved to be used on the ka-50. If it is really that useless on a ka-50 would they have even approved it's use? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GGTharos Posted January 30, 2015 Share Posted January 30, 2015 According to Russian forces it hasn't been. Who cares what some website says? It was tested, it isn't used in any operational capacity. [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Reminder: SAM = Speed Bump :D I used to play flight sims like you, but then I took a slammer to the knee - Yoda Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dejjvid Posted February 2, 2015 Share Posted February 2, 2015 So what performance should we expect from the 25ML now? Or we can do a trade, enable the MWS system and we forget about the KH25ML :) i7 8700K | GTX 1080 Ti | 32GB RAM | 500GB M.2 SSD | TIR5 w/ Trackclip Pro | TM Hotas Warthog | Saitek Pro Flight Rudder [sigpic]http://www.132virtualwing.org[/sigpic] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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