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$20 gets you one out of P51 or FW-190 in WW2

 

$30 gets you both the P51 and FW-190 in WW2

 

$40 gets you the above plus any planes which come with stretch goals getting hit (so maybe 262 if the stretch goal is changed)

 

$65 gets you both in WW2 and immediate access to P51 in DCS World

 

$85 gets you both in WW2 and immediate access to FW-190 in DCS World once beta is released

 

$100 gets you both in WW2 and both in DCS World

 

While anything below 65/85/100 (P-51/FW-190/BOTH) gets you aircrafts for DCS WWII only, not DCS WWII and DCS World. See the DCS WWII Non-Official Brochure_RevC.pdf, p. 10.

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There in lies the problem... it is non official. And we were told that aircraft will be fully interchangeable so DCS world and WW2 versions should be exactly the same. The only reason I pledged $40 was to get the Dora in DCS: World and support this project at the same time. It seemed like a win win situation... It seems now I was badly mistaken.

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There in lies the problem... it is non official. And we were told that aircraft will be fully interchangeable so DCS world and WW2 versions should be exactly the same. The only reason I pledged $40 was to get the Dora in DCS: World and support this project at the same time. It seemed like a win win situation... It seems now I was badly mistaken.

 

You will get them but not till 09/14...and then you can use them in each World/WW2

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To be honest I am not sure where I stand with my pledge anymore. I pledged $50 on day 2 of the the kickstarter, but the shuffling has me confused & I am not sure what I am getting now.

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There in lies the problem... it is non official. And we were told that aircraft will be fully interchangeable so DCS world and WW2 versions should be exactly the same. The only reason I pledged $40 was to get the Dora in DCS: World and support this project at the same time. It seemed like a win win situation... It seems now I was badly mistaken.

 

I hope you don't feel like you were mislead. Luthier said at the very beginning that they were not selling keys for DCS World.

 

Access to the 190 beta in DCS World was only added for the $85 level when the kickstart pledge levels were revised. $40 has always bought you all flyable aircraft upon the release of DCS WW2.

P-51D | Fw 190D-9 | Bf 109K-4 | Spitfire Mk IX | P-47D | WW2 assets pack | F-86 | Mig-15 | Mig-21 | Mirage 2000C | A-10C II | F-5E | F-16 | F/A-18 | Ka-50 | Combined Arms | FC3 | Nevada | Normandy | Straight of Hormuz | Syria

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There in lies the problem... it is non official. And we were told that aircraft will be fully interchangeable so DCS world and WW2 versions should be exactly the same. The only reason I pledged $40 was to get the Dora in DCS: World and support this project at the same time. It seemed like a win win situation... It seems now I was badly mistaken.

I personally assume my knowledge is a lot less comprehensive than of the author's of the brochure, hence I trust it and look out for updates/corrections.

 

There's a thread dedicated to the subject of interchangeability/cross-compatibility of modules between DCS WWII and DCS World already so please post there.

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Why are people having trouble understanding this?:lol:

 

The DCS WWII series will start with Europe 1944 and, given enough interest, continue to grow to cover more theaters, more aircraft, and more content. [b ][size=1]Moreover, its modules will plug into DCS World modules and vice versa, so you’ll be able to fly a 1940s Messerschmitt against a modern Su-25, if you so choose[/size][/b]

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Plus - explain the difference between $40 and $100 then.

 

My sources:

1. See - the bottom of the update

http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/508681281/dcs-wwii-europe-1944/posts/597595

 

2. DCS WWII Non-Official Brochure_RevC.pdf, p. 6., (red font) '**License is effective for DCS WWII ONLY."

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Plus - explain the difference between $40 and $100 then.

 

My sources:

1. See - the bottom of the update

http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/508681281/dcs-wwii-europe-1944/posts/597595

 

2. DCS WWII Non-Official Brochure_RevC.pdf, p. 6., (red font) '**License is effective for DCS WWII ONLY."

 

 

Yes I see the problem now, my source was the bookmark that directed to the original kick start page, which is still fully functional...so your update page has edited out my quote source. I can understand the disappointment by some in this case, but it (your update page) still says 85- and the Dora available early 2014 for World


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Yes I see the problem now, my source was the bookmark that directed to the original kick start page, which is still fully functional...so your update page has edited out my quote source. I can understand the disappointment by some in this case, but it still says 85- and the Dora available early 2014 for World

NP. Please edit your previous post.

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News from luthier

 

Creator Ilya Shevchenko 6 minutes ago

All right, so here's the general breakdown of the response to the new Me.262 stretch goals:

For: 18

Against: 2

(if I counted right)

So I think I'm going to update it today, and that'll be it for the kickstarter changes. Getting down to the wire.

A lot of people wrote about making a 50K stretch goal for the map SDK, but that actually doesn't need quite that much money. When I talked about releasing it earlier, I meant doing it simply within the constraints of the base 100K goal.

First and foremost we still need to have an internal discussion about it. There are legal issues. I don't own the EDGE engine, and the map editor currently is pretty much open code. Obviously that's not something we want to release to the public, because technologies.

If ED, the people who do own EDGE, are OK with releasing it out - and that's a BIG IF - then we'll need to work a bit to make it nice and obfuscated, I'll personally write something that passes for a manual, and in a month or so it could be available to backers. I guess we'll set up a backer discussion and share roles and find some people willing to make 3D models of buildings and landmarks and so on and so forth. Once again, IF this is possible at all. All this within the 100K base, and I really don't see how asking for any more money is needed.

Alain: Regarding the $20+ levels. Right, if you already own both the DCS Dora and the DCS P-51, the base 100K tier gives you nothing. I really hope we'll get the 150K with the 262. I really think that people were discouraged by the seemingly unreachable 375K for the B-17, and if we give some much closer goals, we'll pick up the pace.

Vijar: Yes I guess we do need something big and powerful to interest the general gaming community and get some media coverage. Time's running out. All bets on my upcoming aircraft video.

Milan: On one hand you may be right, and the kickstarter is rather early. On the other hand, I think we did extremely well already, all things considering. Everyone involved in the project is energized. People who invested the majority of the cash to get it started are feeling a lot better. We have a much better idea of what we're doing and what the people want. We still made the money we need to spend as much time as we need on the project, and there's still a pretty good hope of tacking on an exciting new flyable. So, is it as good as can be? Of course not. But it's still really, really good.

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Plus - explain the difference between $40 and $100 then.

 

My sources:

1. See - the bottom of the update

http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/508681281/dcs-wwii-europe-1944/posts/597595

 

2. DCS WWII Non-Official Brochure_RevC.pdf, p. 6., (red font) '**License is effective for DCS WWII ONLY."

 

I had also understood it to be the way GT 5.0 explained it, though we will of course still require official confirmation at some point.

 

There is always only the mention of "licenses for XXX". If you get a license of a module for WWII, you get it at the release of WWII, which will be another year in the making. If you get the license for World, you get it immediately. You will note that in the rewards section, it is specifically mentioned that the P-51 will be delivered at successful completion of the Kickstarter, but ONLY for the "DCS World" pledge levels. On the other hand, Ilya has guaranteed before that any module will be interchangeable, so now we are looking for an explanation that fits with all previous statements (because I don't want to assume that Ilya has been misleading us to increase the KS revenue).

It all fits if the difference really is only the time at which we get the module. If everything is interchangeable, as Ilya said, what core the license is for makes no difference, but if you want the module sooner, you pledge higher. Again, this is an interpretation of the available statements in Ilya's favour and it is his job to correct it if it were mistaken. I firmly expect him to answer the question "Will the $40 Dora be flyable in World" at some point, otherwise we may have to take his evasiveness on the issue into consideration when thinking about rewards...

 

Finally, the unofficial brochure is just that. It's someone's opinion. Its creator does not have any more or less information than any of us and his guess is no more valid.

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Any module may be interchangeable but not for anyone. In any case just forget about the resource 2 and the resource 1 still leaves you with what I said. Not to mention it's really unwise to assume the better scenario of the two, if in doubt. I'll leave it at that.

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I had also understood it to be the way GT 5.0 explained it, though we will of course still require official confirmation at some point.

 

There is always only the mention of "licenses for XXX". If you get a license of a module for WWII, you get it at the release of WWII, which will be another year in the making. If you get the license for World, you get it immediately. You will note that in the rewards section, it is specifically mentioned that the P-51 will be delivered at successful completion of the Kickstarter, but ONLY for the "DCS World" pledge levels. On the other hand, Ilya has guaranteed before that any module will be interchangeable, so now we are looking for an explanation that fits with all previous statements (because I don't want to assume that Ilya has been misleading us to increase the KS revenue).

It all fits if the difference really is only the time at which we get the module. If everything is interchangeable, as Ilya said, what core the license is for makes no difference, but if you want the module sooner, you pledge higher. Again, this is an interpretation of the available statements in Ilya's favour and it is his job to correct it if it were mistaken. I firmly expect him to answer the question "Will the $40 Dora be flyable in World" at some point, otherwise we may have to take his evasiveness on the issue into consideration when thinking about rewards...

Finally, the unofficial brochure is just that. It's someone's opinion. Its creator does not have any more or less information than any of us and his guess is no more valid.

 

A good post and good points made...I'll try asking llya aswell for an answer

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...............

 

What do you guys think?

 

I think the $150 may not be achieved and would like to suggest an intermediate stretch goal. If we can't get to $150 how much would it cost to extend the map NW and just have a bare "langoliers terrain" terrain for Southern England. $120 goal? At least then we could make air spawns for AI B-17s and manned escorts, picking up on more historical B-17 missions after takeoff and form-up and allowing a manned escort rendezvous over S. England.

 

Think about it, the $100k initial release is entirely post-D-Day (only a Normandy map) with all major pre-D-Day bombing objectives achieved and only, historically, minimal air fighting plus ground attack. It would be ridiculous to start a B-17 pre-D-Day bombing mission from Normandy. The scope of the initial release would be immensely increased by adding in potential for "UK-based" pre-D-Day missions with more P51D and FW190 opportunities for historical and widespread use on at least targets in France like Railways, military centres etc..

 

EDIT: If anyone feels that "it's only supposed to be Normandy" then I don't think the B-17 is any kind of priority. Nor are high altitude bombing missions so why the Me262? We're left with a limited range dog-fighting and ground attack P51D release in which the B-17 and Me262 have no place.


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You will get them but not till 09/14...and then you can use them in each World/WW2

 

I hope you don't feel like you were mislead. Luthier said at the very beginning that they were not selling keys for DCS World.

 

 

 

 

Why are people having trouble understanding this?:lol:

 

 

 

Maybe because of the contracting replies such as the ones above. I have backed anyway for $40 but seeing as most of the good stuff is free for everyone, I already own the P51d and want the dora in World, not WW2... I'm not quite getting what I thought I was for my hard earned money is all.

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Maybe because of the contracting replies such as the ones above. I have backed anyway for $40 but seeing as most of the good stuff is free for everyone, I already own the P51d and want the dora in World, not WW2... I'm not quite getting what I thought I was for my hard earned money is all.

 

Yea I hear ya, I don"t blame you at all, I think the 20- or even the 40-if the 262 makes it, would be your best choice since you have the P-51...here is his words on it yesterday

http://forums.eagle.ru/showthread.php?t=114482


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