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Old 06-20-2013, 12:37 PM   #1
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I'm REALLY intrested in the F-15 in FC3, and was planning on buying FC3 now that the sale is going on , however in the newsletter i got in my e-mail i saw this :

"The Next Eagle Dynamics DCS Modules

Later this year, we will offer:
A-10A: DCS Flaming Cliffs
Su-25: DCS Flaming Cliffs
F-15C: DCS Flaming Cliffs
Su-27: DCS Flaming Cliffs
This modules will feature:
1- Detailed 3D model (high polygon / high res textures)
2- 6 DOF cockpit
3- AFM
4- Lock On level cockpit systems
$19.99 USD at release "


I'm a bit confused.

1 : Will the F-15c in the "future release" be in ANY way better or improved over the current one? Be it flight model , cockpit , anything at all?

2 : Will the future release be one release with all aircraft , or will they be individual? I dont care that much about the other aircraft in FC3.

Thank you.

PS : I'm sorry if this post is in the wrong part of the forums, not quite sure where i should have put it.
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Old 06-20-2013, 12:54 PM   #2
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1- Detailed 3D model (high polygon / high res textures)
2- 6 DOF cockpit
3- AFM
4- Lock On level cockpit systems
New, and for me extremely important. AFM is the advanced flight model, which will upgrade the F-15 and Su-27 to Su-25 level, making them much more enjoyable to fly and fight in.

I'm not sure how they will be released as products, but however they are I am getting all the fighters.
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1 : Will the F-15c in the "future release" be in ANY way better or improved over the current one? Be it flight model , cockpit , anything at all?
Will benefit from the addition of an AFM (Advanced Flight Model).


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2 : Will the future release be one release with all aircraft , or will they be individual?
Releases will be module releases, so will be individual.
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Ohh okay , i didnt realise AFM stood for Advanced Flight Model, and since i've only played aircraft with an AFM , i'm affraid not having an AFM will make the gameplay less enjoyable. I guess i'll wait for the individual release , thanks!

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These are fighters.. I can imagine to have a realistic flight model for the civilian aircraft (where most time is spent flying and doing nothing but following routes) as the primary aspect of a simulator, but the whole rest? The avionics is almost completely missing, the takeoff procedures are a joke.. so what i'm going to have? A plane that fly realistical.. *but* i'll be in air by pressing a button, and i'll fight the other jets by a "point & click" like it is a star-wars fighter. No thanks, I understand the importance of the flight model, but this is nothing if the rest (that is important as .. if not more than the FM) is not here.
I'll wait for a serious module, if there'll be one available in the future, i'm going to skip these simplified modules made for the "mass".
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Having used the A-10A since LOMAC and having had the A-10C for a while, you're blowing things way out of proportion. You don't take off by pressing a button, and I have no idea where point and click combat comes from. The job of HOTAS and modern fighter controls is to make things easier for the pilot. Acquiring the target is where FC comes fairly close to DCS. The difference in getting Mav's on target with the A-10 A/C is the former lacks alignment and also lacks slaving to the TGP or SPI (which makes the A-10C more point and click than the A).
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And for the people that already purchased flaming cliffs 3? We will need to pay again to have AFM for our game?
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Having used the A-10A since LOMAC
The A10A and the A10C are very different planes in the avionics.. I don't even understand how you could comparing the two, maybe you're fooled because of their name?

We're talking about the fighters tho... I don't want something that is missing half of the aspect of a simulation, where the most important part of the "fun" is not even shoot at the enemy, but perform a mission (in its entirety) realistically (I want to simulate the real thing, not the top gun movie).

And especially looking at the new technology (ie: oculus rift), a clickable cockpit is one of the most important aspects to look at for me (when you start to fly with the A10C you'll forget forever those idiotic key-combos for a more realistic visual feedback).

I leave Flaming Cliff.. to the Flaming Cliffs boys... i'll remain with DCS.
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The A10A and the A10C are very different planes in the avionics.. I don't even understand how you could comparing the two, maybe you're fooled because of their name?
What's fooling me? One has a TGP. They both have Mav's and CCRP and CCIP. Attacking targets in the A is quite similar to the C. It will probably be this way with the fighters, FC3 avionics give you the same basic procedure as a full DCS module.

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We're talking about the fighters tho... I don't want something that is missing half of the aspect of a simulation, where the most important part of the "fun" is not even shoot at the enemy, but perform a mission (in its entirety) realistically (I want to simulate the real thing, not the top gun movie).
Well, who does not want that? Unfortunately we need to wait for it, as there is no DCS fighter for a while. In the meantime we can fly FC3.

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And especially looking at the new technology (ie: oculus rift), a clickable cockpit is one of the most important aspects to look at for me (when you start to fly with the A10C you'll forget forever those idiotic key-combos for a more realistic visual feedback).
I've been flying the A-10 for a while. And Falcon going back further. The clickable cockpit is much better and I'd love to have it. I think that AFM is more important though, at least for me personally. In either case, you can fight as seriously in FC as you can in DCS. I've seen FC pilots try to "point and click" online, and they usually die for it.

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Well, it's not an option if you want a fighter sadly.
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And for the people that already purchased flaming cliffs 3? We will need to pay again to have AFM for our game?
According to a couple of posts I read from ED testers, if you own Flaming Cliffs 3, you will get the AFM automatically at no extra cost.
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