Fw-190D9 Discussion

FW-190D9 Skins (Germany)

4 Skins for Germany only - you must choose German FW-190D9 in Mission Editor

File contains only 4 liveries descriptions - skin files are already on your HDD/SSD :)

Install:

Unpack and copy enclosed Mods folder into your main DCS World folder ( ~ C:\Program Files\Eagle Dynamics\DCS World )

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Download:

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http://forum.lockon.ru/showthread.php?p=1747976#post1747976

Thank you HungaroJET - that is exactly what was needed and I didn't have the knowledge to do.

Cheers,

Stonehouse

The air intake scoop. First, it is not easy to make a screenshot in DCS of the air intake from below to perfectly match what's in the picture, because the wing is in the way. So I took a screenshot from above, then flipped it. Anyway, that doesn't matter - what I'm trying to point out here is the scoop's contour shape, which is similar when seen from above or below.

It is obvious the scoop is too bulky and generally inaccurate.

- needs to have a smoother more aero dynamic curve at the foreward hull joint, right now it's a 90 degree joint.

- the aft section needs to be more aerodynamically shaped, needs to be a shallow slope into the hull and not a steep declining angle slope.

- the outter edge also needs to be more rounded off.

The plane in the scoop picture is Fw 190 D-9, W.Nr. 601088 while undergoing restoration in the US. The air scoop is original, while on the Fw 190 D-13 "Yellow 10" W.Nr. 836017 (fitted indeed with the bigger, oval scoop) that is also displayed in a US museum, the scoop is a replica (and not exactly a great one...)

The point is the difference between the D-9 intake and the bigger one fitted to the later D models is pretty obvious, also in the picture the engine is a Jumo 213A with the associated engine mount, and not a Jumo 213E or F with a different (bigger) compressor intake and very different engine mount.

Thanks, those pictures are actually known for me from long ago.

Why I have used that particular b/w picture of the scoop, despite its not great quality - it's because it depicts the scoop as it would appear in a longitudinal section through the middle of it. I honestly thought it was evident. It's not easy to find such a picture, pictures from a random angle there are plenty.

The drawing was posted on another forum. The only place I've seen that drawing is Jerry Crandall's "Fw 190 Dora" book, vol. 2. I'm 99% sure the poster scan it from the book.

Thank you.

Interesting, the picture you posted, just must be the angle with the hood up, but it looks bigger than the D9, and closer to the exhaust openings like the D-13 would be, but again its tough to tell from that angle.

The front end of D-11/12/13's air intake is a capsule shape, but the one in Fox One's picture looks more like a circle to me.

Well, here it is. It isn't easy to find good enough photographs or material for these aircraft, but here is a blueprint...

A Dora side photograph, you can see although not perfect blueprint is accurate enough. Aircraft identified as Fw190A-8 W.Nr. 170003 modified with a Jumo 213A engine (or Dora prototype). Not a good scan sorry, book scans are very bad or my scaner is very bad :D, but enough to see real cowling shape with no doubt about later possibly altered models (but later D models aren't changed, just to say, change is in Ta152 model, another aircraft in Kurt Tank words)...

And a DCS pic as is right now in released version. It's difficult get a good pic from side without faking shape, but I think can be clearly seen cowling is far from correct with a wrong curve and parallel cowl flaps, I dare to say too wide also, but just compare...

Also for later argument, just with a quick look at it I see clearly wing roots are faked. This happens when modelling a 3D thing with just a side view, but it should be corrected. Not found yet good enough Dora photographs from nose but will post when find them or a good view at least. Also I think wings to tip are thinner than should be, but with a pic will say...

Not my intention at all criticise EDs work but just point out things I see just if it's helpful :thumbup:. You said modeller doesn't live with or breath Fw190 all the time, but may be a bunch of us do :pilotfly: :lol: :smilewink:.

S!

Source: Book Osprey - Production line to frontline: Fw190

Both, blueprint and Dora photograph were scanned by myself in this case, but I can make a bad scan of course. This isn't a very big profile, it's big because the scan, but I think pretty accurate, just compare with photograph.

Also, talking about Doras, and only Doras not Ta152, they were all similar so even nowadays FHC D-13 is a good source for shapes. Furthermore I can't emphasize enough how Dora is just an A-8 with a Jumo engine and a ring added on tail, that's all, so even A-8 photograph are quite a good source for wings, fuselage without engine and so. I'll look for photographs more than drawings then.

S!

:surprise::clap_2: You lucky man, for me it's 5000Km far :smilewink:. Duxford and RAF Hendon museum haven't any Dora :(.

Hope you get good photographs from it, and you could see yourself how cowling is different :smilewink:.

S!

More reference of the thickness of the wings

Landing gear doors:

An interesting thing about Fw 190 canopy.

Have a look at the drawing below, it is from a technical book. On the canopy sides there are the rollers 16 that run inside two troughs placed right on the edges of the fuselage. There are also other rollers more to the back of the canopy that run in a central trough, but that's not important now.

As I said, the troughs are right on the edges of the fuselage, but going from front backwards the fuselage gets narrower. So the lateral troughs are actually not parallel, they are converging towards the tail of the plane.

When opening the canopy, as it travels back, the distance between the rollers on one side and the other of the canopy gets smaller, so to be able to complete the trick the canopy actually "bends" from the middle. The forward metallic part of the canopy has a hinge right in the middle. The metallic part running through the center of the canopy has a cross-sectional shape like an H letter, and inside the H there are the edges of the two plexiglas halves of the canopy, but they are not fitted rigidly inside the H, they are mounted probably using some sort of rubber so they can tilt slightly inside that H.

When the canopy is jettisoned, the shotgun in the middle of the canopy pushes it back. At the end of the lateral troughs there are some sloped parts, the lateral rollers "climb" those ramps and the canopy separates from the aircraft.

It's not easy to find D-9 pictures with the late-type canopy where the "bend" in the middle of the canopy is visible. I did the best with what I could find, on the left and center pictures are D-9 with late-type canopy. On the right is a D-9 with early-type canopy, but that doesn't matter, the canopy principle is the same. You can see in this picture that, because the canopy is opened all the way to the back, the "bend" is very obvious.

Also, on the technical drawing there are the articulated rods 19. Because the canopy actually gets narrower while opened, the back armor is attached to the canopy frame with 2 articulated rods similar with Fw 190 planes with early-type canopy, the only difference is that over the rods there are some metallic farings.

In the last pictures you can see the lateral troughs on the fuselage of the D-9 and also the jettisoning "shotgun", and the last 3 colour pictures are actually of an F model, but obviously it is fitted wit the same late-type canopy as the D-9. The shape of the covers over the back armor's articulated rods is clearly visible, as is the slight canopy "bend" in the middle.

The conclusion is - in order to have an accurate canopy in DCS Fw 190 model, the canopy actually has to basically "change its shape" slightly while opening or closing it.

...although the drawings submitted here all vary in thickness themselves

I forgot completely I own these blueprints, they aren't for a Dora but an A-8 (and I'm sure appropriate book from this series have Dora ones). Anyway Dora have the very same wing than A-8 except for external canons, so blueprints are valid. Not a perfect scan (they are so big doesn't fit the scanner) but I think useful. You can see shape is same than another good blueprints...

Also this is interesting, not only it confirms wing shape, but have measures for aircraft. Again, wings, horizontal stabilizer, and gear wide and the very same than Dora, and the most interesting thing is this came from A-8 handbook...

For wings itself as absolute confirmation I don't find any photograph good enough for it, but this can help I think. These are for earlier Fw190 again, but wing shape in Fw190 didn't change from the very first model, only weapons, and here can be seen blueprint is accurate. Although not the perfect shot if you look at one of those farther from camera something can be seen about the question...

S!

P.D. Sources: more from here

blueprint from Kagero Fw190 vol. III

Well, if they have factory blueprints better. I hope IA Dora is just a first approximation to the thing :smilewink:.

When I saw Dora the first thing that came to my mind was they used as a reference that Dora made by Flugwerk with an allison engine. She lacks the same than A-8/N, with a different engine the cowling shape isn't same as original, although of course if somebody gift me one of those I wouldn't say I don't want her :lol:.

S!