DCS Mirage 2000C Discussion

She is a beauty! Is there a binder of checklists on the dashboard?

Looking good! Thanks for sharing.

Amazing!

Im so hyped about this aircraft by now =>

What awesome details! The waiting is getting more difficult:) Thanks for sharing and thanks Zeus67 for all the updates, appreciate it a lot!

superb.

which kind of weapons will we have? i know very few things about mirage and i can't wait to learn and fly and kill something with this baby

superb.

which kind of weapons will we have? i know very few things about mirage and i can't wait to learn and fly and kill something with this baby

R-550 Magic II (heatseeker, like an AIM-9L/M Sidewinder)

Super 530D (semi-active radar homing, like an AIM-7M Sparrow)

SNEB 68mm rocket pods (18 rockets each)

Twin 30mm cannons (125 rounds each)

Mark 82 bombs (500lbs each)

GBU-12 (no way to self-lase, needs help from other units to guide them)

BLG-66 Belouga (cluster bomb, not mentioned by RAZBAM yet but I think early M2K's can use them)

AM-39 Exocet (subsonic anti-ship missile)

AS-37 ARMAT (anti-radar missile)

So we can dogfight, engage BVR, ground pound, use precision guided bombs with the help of other aircraft, as well as do SEAD or anti-ship missions. Lots of gameplay variety!

Althoug there is BVR CAPACITY, its no bvr fighter...2 SARH missiles won't even get you to the merge in flat terrain most of the time.

In the real world, it's a BVR fighter. In a sim scenario, still a BVR fighter. By DCS/Lockon airquake standards, maybe you're right.

Been working on the DCS Mirage 2000C

Right now it can fire the cannons and the SNEB rockets. At this time the gunsight for both cannon and rockets are deemed finished.

It has two settings: dynamic and fixed. With dynamic, the sight moves around the HUD calculating the bullet/rocket impact point based on aircraft speed, attitude, etc.

On fixed, it just has a basic bullet drop calculation based on range.

The sight range can be changed between 700 to 4000 meters.

No video at this time, perhaps on Sunday.

There was quite a discussion on french forums about the video where you shoot rockets. In this video the gunsight was fixed, wasn't it ?

In the real world, it's a BVR fighter. In a sim scenario, still a BVR fighter. By DCS/Lockon airquake standards, maybe you're right.

The good thing about airframes is, they are built and evolve, get adopted over the years.

A-10, F-16, Mig-21 where all planned and designed for different scenarios than what they are used for now...

Will razbam planning to make 2000C evolve in a model that can carry more then 4 AA missiles?

I agree that the Mirage 2000-5 would be a nice addon later after the 2000C is fully "complete"

For some added Capability.

But either way i cant wait for the 2000 to come out.

Screenshots and video looks great!

In the real world, it's a BVR fighter. In a sim scenario, still a BVR fighter. By DCS/Lockon airquake standards, maybe you're right.

And IMO, 2 SARH + 2 IR missiles makes a better gameplay - giving more probability to go in dogfight, with more challenge (if everybody has an equivalent payload) - than 8 SARH missiles... Unfortunatly, as you say, the DCS standard is 8 R27 missiles vs 8 AIM7/120, that makes the gameplay a little bit strange.

The dogfight-heavy armament of the Mirage 2000C is is going to be great for gameplay. I think the aircraft will pair really nice with the MiG-29, both in terms of performance and capability.

The Super 530D missiles of the Mirage 2000C have to be seen in the historical context of the 1980s. In one of the Mirage's primary roles of providing air-defense to France, the major targets would have been cruise missile carrying Tu-22M2/3, high and fast recon/bomber MiG-25 and low flying Su-24. To intercept these, two Super 530D were an adequate armament. Due to the IFF problem, fighter combat in the 1980s was still dominantly WVR, with BVR shots being a rare exception (see 1982 Beqaa Valley)*. The highly maneuverable Mirage 2000C was well suited to participate in such air combat over Germany with R.550 Magic II missiles and guns.

*Unfortunately IFF in DCS is perfect.

Does IFF work in real life? Do Su-27 pilots see a double row of dots on their HUD? I ask this since you mentioned IFF... I watched an interview with an aviation expert and he says there is no way to tell friend from foe

From my understanding, IFF works to some extent, but you wanna make sure you always call an awacs to be sure you're not shooting civilians. Su-27-wise, I have no idea though.

Su-27 was just an example since i dont know how radar contacts look on the mirage :P

Does IFF work in real life?

In RL, IFF generally only tells you if a contact is friendly or unknown. An unknown contact could be either hostile, neutral or friendly (without compatible/operating IFF transponder). So a negative IFF response alone cannot be the basis to declare a contact hostile, there needs to be some other means, such as visual identification, AWACS, GCI or a higher level ROE (for example shoot everything flying westwards in a certain area). In 1982 the Israeli F-15, even with AWACS support, had a standing visual identification rule in effect. Unfortunately the AI in DCS has no concept of unknown contacts and is always instantly aware who is friendly and who is hostile, as is the radar of the player.

I think aircraft such as the Mirage 2000C would profit a lot from more fidelity in this area.

There was quite a discussion on french forums about the video where you shoot rockets. In this video the gunsight was fixed, wasn't it ?

Yes. In the rocket test video the gunsight was fixed at the 0,0 point. Now the fixed sight drops from that position based on ballistic drop properties for the DEFA rounds and the rockets.

Just one note regarding weapons, sensors and how the work in real life vs. in the sim.

Unfortunately the French are really paranoid about their weapons systems and do not release any information to the public that they feel uncomfortable with, even when said weapon has been in the open for decades. Many of the weapons and sensor workings are based on open source documents which are very sparse in detail. So we must make educated guesses as to how the displays work and the like.

What I am trying to say is do not expect every single HUD view or VTB view be exactly as their real life counterpart. We are working with you tube screen grabs and whatnot and hopefully we will have a very small CEP on systems fidelity.