Can a Gazelle really do this?

If I had my hardware next to me I would do that, maybe I will be able to record a track later today.

https://youtu.be/pENfi1DWYkc
Edited June 20, 2016 by docWilly

Yes guys, a lot of things were fixed and modified on the next update, we don't tell you this only to keep you quiet ^^

 

So you should perhaps wait for the next update to see if the issues you meet are fixed or not. From Chizh on the russians forums, it seems that 1.5.4 may be out on next friday, perhaps, if as planned, Saturn meets Venus in Canis major.

 

:D

 

Nicolas

on next friday, perhaps, if as planned, Saturn meets Venus in Canis major.

 

I hope not, because that is completely impossible! :D

EDIT: We actually had that conjunction in January, but it was in Scorpius. Canis Major is too far away from the ecliptic, there aren't any planets there ever.

Edited June 20, 2016 by Aginor

I hope not, because that is completely impossible! :D

EDIT: We actually had that conjunction in January, but it was in Scorpius. Canis Major is too far away from the ecliptic, there aren't any planets there ever.

It's perfectly possible, it's just a matter of perspective. :D

Move away from Earth a light year or two in the right direction, and you'll see all the planets in conjunction in Canis Major. The Canis Major may look a bit different from there though. :smartass:

It's great that people are so passionate, but unfortunate that they can't communicate positively.

 

Perhaps damage modeling is the issue, not the flight model? As mentioned earlier, crazy moves lead to serious damage.

 

Keep up the great work. Ignore the negative comments that can't be phrased constructively.

I may have to get my C-9.25 and Eq-6 out of the cave... Don't even remember where planets are ><

I may have to get my C-9.25 and Eq-6 out of the cave... Don't even remember where planets are ><

My 4,5" newt is gathering dust for years... :D

Oh don't worry, usually, that's when you decide to use it that you get 1 month of rain ^^

It's perfectly possible, it's just a matter of perspective. :D

Move away from Earth a light year or two in the right direction, and you'll see all the planets in conjunction in Canis Major. The Canis Major may look a bit different from there though. :smartass:

 

Haha, well played! :D

 

@dimitriov: Exactly. Same here.

Oh dear! Leave the kids alone for a few days and they start playing with the stars.

 

As my question was a rhetorical one, I will answer it myself.

 

No, the real Gazelle can't do the things shown in the video and walk away unscathed and in full control.

 

A test pilot would have rotated the helicopter at max and if he had achieved the 90 rpm as shown, his eyeballs would have been stuck on the inside of the front screen, It just couldn't be done.

 

The Gazelle is also descending. This would create in upward force on the horizontal tail stabilizer, pushing the nose down causing the speed to increase, a roll would start and a violent downward spiral at this kind of rotation would end in destruction.

 

It simply could not revolve at this speed , in a stable state, until the fuel ran out. There appears to be no air resistance on the large tail surface, which is moving at 120 kph sideways.

 

With the regards to the full stick forward roll, I was expecting at least the rotor to come off and maybe the tail, in this 2.1 negative G push, but nothing happened and I flew away unaffected.

 

For those that say, you shouldn't be flying a helo like this, I say you shouldn't be able to fly a helo like this. I fly it till it breaks to see what the limits are, but this one doesn't break.

 

I feel we have a FM and damage problem here and I have asked this question, as feedback to Polychop, who I hope will treat it as such.

 

 

 

Regards.

 

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Edited June 22, 2016 by Holbeach
Grammar.

Currently the G damages are under work and testing, some should be implemented on the next update for high G maneuvers.

Currently the G damages are under work and testing, some should be implemented on the next update for high G maneuvers.

 

Here are a couple of tracks I hope might help.

 

The first is total hands/feet free (except last 2 secs,) 90 rpm rotation, landing.

 

The 2nd is, hands/feet free 90 rpm rotation, then full fwd stick, full aft stick repeated, followed by full left, then full right stick, then full ground contact.

 

The Gazelle is impossible to damage in the air, this is why you can do stuff you shouldn't be able to. Only the ground will kill it.

 

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Edited June 25, 2016 by Holbeach

Hi,

 

Forward flip won't be possible anymore in a next update and damages due to over g will limit too numerous hard manoeuvers.

Thanks.

 

I will be looking forward to trying it and comparing against the previous tracks and video.

 

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Is the next update for 1.5 beta or 1.5 stable?

Is the next update for 1.5 beta or 1.5 stable?

The plan was to update 1.5 stable to 1.5.4. When they do those updates it usually includes some fixes so is actually newer than what was previously released to the open beta branch, so they push the update to both 1.5 branches.

 

So if all goes well, we should see an update released for 1.5 beta and 1.5 stable, bringing both into sync.

 

If it doesn't go well, then I'd guess another update to 1.5 beta would be most likely, but also 'no update at all' is possible.

 

Edit: just to clarify, this is last I heard of ED's release plans, not Gazelle-specific. I don't know if Polychop have further updates pending release from ED at this time.

Edited July 1, 2016 by nomdeplume

The version 1.5.4 is delayed, so I will put these v 1.5.3 "before" videos, now, with the "after" vids. when the latest version FM becomes available, for comparison.

 

T/o and landing without any input from me except collective. To be fair, you can also do something similar with the Huey and Mi-8, although not in such a solid stable way, with its consistent 90 rpm rotation.

 

 

Same again, but with full cyclic movements to overcome stable condition.

 

 

 

 

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Update 1.5.4 arrived today, so I had a few flights, replicating the above videos.

 

With regards to the first one, this can still be done in exactly the same way, except that the rotation speed is much lower.

 

The second one now can't be done at all. The helicopter will become unstable and break up.

 

The forward roll, shown at the beginning of this thread, now can't be done.

 

I can't try the overall handling on my power line slalom, because somebody stole all the Copper wires between the pylons, so that will have to wait.

 

Overall a great improvement. :thumbup:

 

Well done Polychop.

 

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Edited July 10, 2016 by Holbeach
Grammar.

Update 1.5.4 arrived today, so I had a few flights, replicating the above videos.

 

With regards to the first one, this can still be done in exactly the same way, except that the rotation speed is much lower.

 

Sounds good, now you might want to replicate this lady's moves (remembering the L is still carrying ~500kg over the civil version)

The second one now can't be done at all. The helicopter will become unstable and break up.

 

The forward roll, shown at the beginning of this thread, can't be done.

Guess we might have to wait for Polychop's BO-105 to do that manoeuvre (@ 2:30)

Overall a great improvement. :thumbup:

 

Well done Polychop.

 

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+1

Sounds good, now you might want to replicate this lady's moves (remembering the L is still carrying ~500kg over the civil version)

Nice challenge, but there's no way I could do what that pilot does in the video and I'm pretty sure, that pilot can't do what I did, take off and land whilst rotating, with no control input whatsoever, apart from the collective, which can still be done after the update.

 

Guess we might have to wait for Polychop's BO-105 to do that manoeuvre (@ 2:30

)

 

The BO-105 has a solid rotor, which allows aerobatic manoeuvres, but it can't do a full forward roll as seen in my first video, close but it's not a full rotation. The BO-105 is not cleared for the large amount of negative G required to complete the roll.

 

The Polychop Gazelle can no longer do this since the update.

 

Regards.

 

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The Polychop Gazelle can no longer do this since the update.

 

Regards.

 

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Or can it?

 

 

I made this for the bug report, but it fits in here nicely.

 

 

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Edited January 19, 2017 by Holbeach