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Oh and this, you sorta just answered your own question here. If indeed "similiar" promos are on the market, etc, and they are in fact drawing huge costumer numbers and so on, this is exactly why the promo is the way it is today. It's a formula that works! :)
If I was trying to sell a game though I would be afraid that unless something unique and out of the ordinary is shown the product would just be lost among "the rest".

 

Here's a couple of "similar" trailers. Why would a person looking for some flying action pick DCS (assuming that the person has a PC and any console needed) over some other flying action game if he only watches your video and those two below?

 

 

We here all know that these games can't be compared to DCS but when it's taken down to the lowest common denominator which is flying and explosions... who's to say which game is chosen?

 

Also, If you're trying to hook the youth of today which in many cases have a pretty short attention span, your vid may be quite a bit too long... they'll just "mehlolwtf" and move on :(

 

edit: I hope it's clear that I mean no disrespect :)


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If I was trying to sell a game though I would be afraid that unless something unique and out of the ordinary is shown the product would just be lost among "the rest".

 

Here's a couple of "similar" trailers. Why would a person looking for some flying action pick DCS (assuming that the person has a PC and any console needed) over some other flying action game if he only watches your video and those two below?

 

 

We here all know that these games can't be compared to DCS but when it's taken down to the lowest common denominator which is flying and explosions... who's to say which game is chosen?

 

Also, If you're trying to hook the youth of today which in many cases have a pretty short attention span, your vid may be quite a bit too long... they'll just "mehlolwtf" and move on :(

 

edit: I hope it's clear that I mean no disrespect :)

 

Promotion and advertising in general is to raise interest in a product, not to give a detailed description of what the product is able to deliver.

 

And the trailer does exactly what a trailer is supposed to do: Raise interest on a basis as broad as possible.

And let's face it: Hollywood/Arcadish pilots from BF2 and ArmA1/2 are a lot more about explosions and low passes, than navigating at 30,000ft and killing targets with IAMs.

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Also, If you're trying to hook the youth of today which in many cases have a pretty short attention span, your vid may be quite a bit too long... they'll just "mehlolwtf" and move on :(

 

LOL true.

 

I had a roommate in college and one time he watched for a few minutes while I was playing FSX and I prepared for a final approach with a 777.

He said: So... is this a game or what? I said: yeah.. something like that. And he said: Where's the fun in flying a jet around the sky going from point A to point B???

 

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I think what GA was getting at is the video is to get them interested, the sim can do the rest of the work. Everyone is always going to have different opinions on what "they" want to see. For its intent and purpose though it does it's job well, by the end of it I'm saying god damn I wanna play it.

 

As for explaining in detail the features of the sim there's always the website and like GA said he will probably do another video like he did for BS.

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To be fair, Hawx2 and ace combat have very little in game clips. They have much better film quality because its almost all clips. GA achieved the same feeling using all in game video. If people understand that, I would think it would put DCS above ace combat and hawx. Anybody can call up a rendering studio to produce a movie that looks like the game its promoting. GA used the game to create a movie. The only added elements in his is basicallly the title sequences. That says a lot about the game to me.

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No offence, Yellonet, but what you seem to be doing is trying to sell apples by advertising kiwifruit. They're both greenish, but that's about all you can compare them with.

The reasons the young'uns of today will pick DCS is because they have a leaning toward realistic flight and complex control regimes, not for the visual appeal - but ya gotta admit that A10C in GA's porno - DANG IT! - promo vid has great visual effects.

Mummy and Daddy will part with their hard earned money for a game console if Junior has an attention deficit affliction.

If not, and he/she has a keen interest in aviation and wants a truly immersive experience, then they will look to ED.

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Something tells me that no matter what GA did, you'd go and find 'a couple similar trailers' and complain about how GA's work is not unique ;)

 

If I was trying to sell a game though I would be afraid that unless something unique and out of the ordinary is shown the product would just be lost among "the rest".

 

Here's a couple of "similar" trailers. Why would a person looking for some flying action pick DCS (assuming that the person has a PC and any console needed) over some other flying action game if he only watches your video and those two below?

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TBH I find the training videos to be more entertaining than GA's videos.

 

I think they balance each other out nicely, lets be fair, as much as we all watch the training vids and think wow... i can't wait to get my hands on this, the average person out there may feel like its a heck of alot of work for apparently little reward as the training video's are hardly full of excitement by their very nature. GA's project x however is a whole different kettle of fish. I was excited for DCS: A10 before i saw this high energy trailer and now im blown away and simply can not wait to get the real thing home and start trying some of it myself. I think what GA's video has the potential to do is grab the attention of people who may be scared off by the more stale training video's, im talking about the casual gamers and maybe even the ace combat/hawx crowd who may look at this and decide DCS: A10 may be the ideal platform to move up in the world. I say this because to me the trailer played out as an action packed ace combat trailer might and i mean that as a compliment, the difference being this sim has some substance and will most likely be a rewarding experience for anyone willing to put the effort in. I hope GA doesn't take critisisms too much to heart and carries on with the exciting video's, i can't wait to see what he does when he has Carrier's and Harriers to work with in future :music_whistling:

 

 

As for the complaints about shakey camera's and what not, im guessing the cockpit is a bumpy place and im yet to see a sim that recreates video's such as this, the camera obviously exagerates some of the shake but its obviously there, id love to see this effect in a virtual sim..

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I had a roommate in college and one time he watched for a few minutes while I was playing FSX and I prepared for a final approach with a 777.

He said: So... is this a game or what? I said: yeah.. something like that. And he said: Where's the fun in flying a jet around the sky going from point A to point B???

 

People will never understand past the choices they can't make.

 

I've had many similar reactions when I say I fly simulators!:joystick: :pilotfly:

But I have high-realism addons and such, so it sort of intensifies the reaction. Something like: "What, you spend 30 minutes on the ground before you take off? And then you don't shoot anything? What's the fun in that?"

At that point I know I can't explain why I'm into the stuff.

I only respond to that little mechanical voice that says "Terrain! Terrain! Pull Up! Pull Up!"

 

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If not, and he/she has a keen interest in aviation and wants a truly immersive experience, then they will look to ED.

 

Hmm I don't think you're really disagreeing with Yellonet at all, since they're advocating putting more emphasis on the things that make DCS special and not like arcade flight games.

 

I think the video is deliberately aimed at the broader market, to try to pique the interest of people who don't yet know they have an interest in flight sims. If it catches their attention and they learn more about it, they may well start on their journey toward simulations. But if you hit them with the details upfront, there's a good possibility they'd lose interest.

 

Mercury's example is a good one. Lining up for an approach in a realistic sim is riveting stuff, if you understand what's going on. If you don't already understand the details, then it's going to be incredibly boring. It would make for an awful promotional video.

 

But showing things exploding and planes roaring around looking awesome - that gets attention, and might provide a spark of desire to look into the game more, and maybe even try it out. And once they do, they might look a bit deeper and find that all those 'boring' details actually add to the immersion and satisfaction one gets from these games.

 

But you gotta start somewhere, and that's what this promo is about. (Also it's a bit of candy for those who are already eagerly anticipating the release.)

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The reasons the young'uns of today will pick DCS is because they have a leaning toward realistic flight and complex control regimes, not for the visual appeal

My point exactly, but then wouldn't it be a good idea to show that in the video? I mean, how would anyone know from this video that DCS:A10-C is a realistic simulator and not a casual arcade flight game?

While it's obvious that DCS is more realistic than for instance Ace Combat, it might have been wise to further increase the notion that with DCS you'll get an experience that you won't find anywhere else.

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Something tells me that no matter what GA did, you'd go and find 'a couple similar trailers' and complain about how GA's work is not unique ;)
Not at all. I'm just questioning if a casual gamer that's out for some flying action would chose DCS over another flying action game because of this video?

And if GA created a video that really showcases the key features and uniqueness of DCS, there couldn't be anything similar.

 

Again, I'm not complaining, I'm just wondering if other approaches to trailers would perhaps be viable to set DCS clearly apart from the other games.

Also I'm an argumentative bastard :P

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But so far you have not suggested a single specific way to set apart this simulation from other games without also making the promo boring ;)

 

Not at all. I'm just questioning if a casual gamer that's out for some flying action would chose DCS over another flying action game because of this video?

And if GA created a video that really showcases the key features and uniqueness of DCS, there couldn't be anything similar.

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Not at all. I'm just questioning if a casual gamer that's out for some flying action would chose DCS over another flying action game because of this video?

And if GA created a video that really showcases the key features and uniqueness of DCS, there couldn't be anything similar.

 

Again, I'm not complaining, I'm just wondering if other approaches to trailers would perhaps be viable to set DCS clearly apart from the other games.

Also I'm an argumentative bastard :P

 

Let's call my promo an "attention grabber", and let the next PR stuff come when it's due, and then the people will get an insight into this simulation.

This is the *first* real video of DCS: A-10C, so why should the first one be a "boring" demonstration video, when this video can get 10 times more people interested first? :)


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Again what gets me pumped about this Porno vid most is the fact that I can recreate all the scenes when I get the game and play it. I can not say the same about the hawx and ace comba trailers. Not sure if casual gamers understand this or not. Nothing in the promo was created in a "studio". That right there sets dcs apart in my mind and there is not another trailer on the web that can say the same. If you show me one I will conceed.

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Either you keep missing my point or I keep missing to making one :(

 

I do not want a boring trailer - who would?

I want a trailer that shows off key features of the game, what could be more promoting than that?

 

It could be something like this:

 

We would follow an A-10C (obviously) on it's mission to destroy an installation or convoy or such.

Through it all there should be some radio traffic to build up the tension.

 

1) There would be some kind of graphic to explain what the mission is without any text, perhaps some map image or photo of the target and such (showing off game map/area)

This would take maybe 5-6 seconds.

 

2) Next we're in the cockpit, pilot is looking around (showing off 6DOF)

and clicking a few switches (showing off clickable buttons)

This would take 5-6 seconds.

 

3) Outside the AC as it starts to move on a busy airfield (showing off a few 3D models including the A-10C from the outside)

5-6 seconds

 

4) AC ready on the runway, starts moving, fast forward, liftoff, inside cockpit, raise gear. (more clickable buttons)

Around 10 seconds

 

5) A few kilometers from the base, inside cockpit, going through the clouds, outside, zoomed out for scale (showing off atmospheric effects, perhaps some turbulence)

7-9 seconds

 

6) Transition phase where we see the map showing the aircraft fast forwarding towards the target.

3-4 seconds

 

7) Getting close to target, looking through seeker for AGM-65 searching for target. Outside enemy target vehicle/defence vehicle aiming up and firing at A-10C (showing off weapons handling, ground vehicle 3D model and weapons fire)

Around 10 seconds

 

8 ) Inside cockpit, lights and sound go crazy, incoming missile! View from missile homing in. View from outside A-10C, evasion! missile flies by whooosh! (shows off warning systems, missile behaviour, evasive technique, flight model)

Around 12 seconds

 

And so on....

 

I know I'd make a lousy director, but maybe now you understand what I've been trying to say?

Showing off key features while getting a feel for how it is to play the game while following a mission from start to finish. Could probably be compressed to 3 minutes or less.


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I've got'n your point all the way through this discussion, but i already told you that, such a movie you are asking for will most likely be made, in one way or another! :)

 

*My* point with "Project 10" is to promote excitement over a new sim coming, trying to also appeal to the fans that likes to blow stuff up, as well to all who loves aviation in general and so on.

Now let's not continue this discussion, we obviously both want the same thing in the end here. ;)


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I agree partially with Yellonet, however most people like to blow up things, and GA movie has been made nicely :]

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All i can say is EPIC :thumbup:

 

You seem to step up your game every time my man i loved every minute of it..outstanding.

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The only downside I've encountered has been I can't play this over mobile (due to soundtrack copyright). Most of your other videos are fine, including the A10C teaser.

 

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Caused by this (see response from Audrey D): http://www.google.com/support/forum/p/youtube/thread?tid=1909e4c9f75ec4d3&hl=en

 

Just thought you should know, perhaps you already do :)

 

I may be able to play it once we get our phone upgrade to Android 2.2 'froyo' and can install Flash; I'll be able to use the non-mobile youtube content then as well, but I'm not sure that will perform too well.

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