jojo Posted November 28, 2015 Share Posted November 28, 2015 Thanks guys, I feel less lonely :D Mirage fanatic ! I7-7700K/ MSI RTX3080/ RAM 64 Go/ SSD / TM Hornet stick-Virpil WarBRD + Virpil CM3 Throttle + MFG Crosswind + Reverb G2. Flickr gallery: https://www.flickr.com/gp/71068385@N02/728Hbi Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Akatsuki Posted November 28, 2015 Share Posted November 28, 2015 With the release of NTTR as a separate build than 1.5 Open Beta i wonder where the M2000 will be available ? Open Beta or NTTR Alpha ? Both ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gliptal Posted November 28, 2015 Share Posted November 28, 2015 With the release of NTTR as a separate build than 1.5 Open Beta i wonder where the M2000 will be available ? Open Beta or NTTR Alpha ? Both ?Good question, especially since I'm still on 1.2.16. Will it be available for the stable branch as well? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ED Team NineLine Posted November 28, 2015 ED Team Share Posted November 28, 2015 Good question, especially since I'm still on 1.2.16. Will it be available for the stable branch as well? I am 99% sure it wont be released for 1.2.16, more likely it will come with a new version of 1.5.x or 2.0 Forum Rules • My YouTube • My Discord - NineLine#0440• **How to Report a Bug** Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hook47 Posted November 29, 2015 Share Posted November 29, 2015 (edited) First. The Mig-21 cant carry 8 R-60Ms Its a maximum of 4 (you can only have the double "pylon" on the inboard or outboard hardpoint not both. So you can carry 1 double pylon on each wing and then a single pylon on the other hardpoint. So Maximum of 6 Air-Air missiles. And what was the Nationality of the Mig-21 you saw?. I neversaid it was not common i just said far from all Mig-21Bis Operators used it. And Unless you have friends who have Worked on the mig From every nation Operating the Bis Variant then that does not have an effect on my statement... Edited December 2, 2015 by Hook47 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hook47 Posted November 29, 2015 Share Posted November 29, 2015 (edited) MiG-21 manoeuvrability is closer to Mirage III. They are both stable aircraft and lack the agility of modern relaxed stability aircraft such as Mirage 2000. Agreed, but I still hold to the MiG 21 managing energy better than the Mirage 2000. Look forward to finding out if I'm right in a couple weeks Edited November 29, 2015 by Hook47 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moos_tachu Posted November 29, 2015 Share Posted November 29, 2015 Well the difference is a little more subtle than that. First you have to distinguish (1) the early -5s variants, including : - domestic (-5F), - variants (-5EDA, -5Ei) They all share the same RDY radar, but the -5F attack and navigation system doesn't support any air-to-ground modes ; the export ones feature modified EWS, noticeable by the different RWR antennas (two additional superhet on the fin) Then comes the late -5 family, all export, also called "Mk2" : - emirati (-9EAD) - greek (-5EG) - indian (I) Some difference exist between those concerning some subsystems (EWS, integrated weaponry..) but the main feature they share is the new EMTI (MDPU in english), i.e Integrated Modular Avionics, and they are all A/G capable. The I features some further enhancement and is fitted with RDY-3 versus RDY-2 for the two former (better processing power, etc.). OK... but that doesn't change a single word from my previous post: The -9 is basically a -5 with additional A/G options (export version). Meaning that A/A capabilities are exactly the same, let aside some minor radar differences (RDY > RDY2). My point was not to go deep into the details, just to highlight that the A/A capabilities of the -5 and -9 are pretty much the same. This was answering to some statements like "the -5 is OK but the -9 is the ultimate A/A fighter" :) [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Mud, wind and fire. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jojo Posted November 29, 2015 Share Posted November 29, 2015 Natural competitor is MiG 29...it just doesn't have the same level of realism ! One big challenge would be to catch high & fast MiG 25 RB. Mirage fanatic ! I7-7700K/ MSI RTX3080/ RAM 64 Go/ SSD / TM Hornet stick-Virpil WarBRD + Virpil CM3 Throttle + MFG Crosswind + Reverb G2. Flickr gallery: https://www.flickr.com/gp/71068385@N02/728Hbi Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DoubleQJB Posted November 29, 2015 Share Posted November 29, 2015 Agreed, but I still hold to the MiG 21 managing energy better than the Mirage 2000. Look forward to finding out if I'm right in a couple weeks I don't think it can. Looks to me like the Mirage can sustain a higher g turn in addition to its higher instantaneous turn rate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zeus67 Posted November 29, 2015 Share Posted November 29, 2015 Another teaser: Soon, very soon. :music_whistling: 1 "Programming today is a race between software engineers striving to build bigger and better idiot-proof programs, and the Universe trying to produce bigger and better idiots. So far, the Universe is winning." "The three most dangerous things in the world are a programmer with a soldering iron, a hardware type with a program patch and a user with an idea." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
X93355 Posted November 29, 2015 Share Posted November 29, 2015 Another teaser: Soon, very soon. :music_whistling: Looking very very good Zeus. It's the 30th here in NZ already :) InWin S Frame with Asus Z170 | i7-6700K @ 4.5 Water Cooled CPU and Graphics | 16GB DDR4 | GTX1070 | 240GB M.2 SSD | Warthog Hotas | MFG Crosswind | 40" Samsung 4K | CV1 | Replica MB Mk10 Ejection Seat with Gametrix 908 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ultra Posted November 29, 2015 Share Posted November 29, 2015 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brisse Posted November 29, 2015 Share Posted November 29, 2015 Very nice :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
castor Posted November 29, 2015 Share Posted November 29, 2015 +1.....Please manual today ;-) [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] System specs: CPU: i7-9700K@ 5.0 GHz | RAM: 32 GB | GPU: RTX 2080 Super | Thrustmaster HOTAS Warthog | CH Products Pro Pedals |HP REverb Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jumbik Posted November 29, 2015 Share Posted November 29, 2015 Oh full manual before release... one can dream. Do, or do not, there is no try. -------------------------------------------------------- Sapphire Nitro+ Rx Vega 64, i7 4790K ... etc. etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zeus67 Posted November 29, 2015 Share Posted November 29, 2015 We will start working on the manual this week. "Programming today is a race between software engineers striving to build bigger and better idiot-proof programs, and the Universe trying to produce bigger and better idiots. So far, the Universe is winning." "The three most dangerous things in the world are a programmer with a soldering iron, a hardware type with a program patch and a user with an idea." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hook47 Posted November 29, 2015 Share Posted November 29, 2015 I don't think it can. Looks to me like the Mirage can sustain a higher g turn in addition to its higher instantaneous turn rate. Great charts. Interesting... Yes on paper it appears the Mirage has better sustained turn rate. That may help its lack of weapon and CM, but we will see. MiG vs. Mirage is something I'll be trying very quickly simply because I'm itching to have two full fidelity multirole fighters square off! This has never happened in DCS history Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Akatsuki Posted November 29, 2015 Share Posted November 29, 2015 Soon, very soon. :music_whistling: On 1.5 OB or NTTR Alpha ? :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dartuil Posted November 29, 2015 Share Posted November 29, 2015 On 1.5 OB or NTTR Alpha ? :) Good question. i7 2600k -- Noctua NH-D14--Asrock Z75 Pro3--ASUS GTX970 Strix --16Go Ripjaws X 1333--Thermaltake Smart M650--CoolerMaster Silencio 652S--AOC E2752VQ-- Sandisk Extreme II 480GB--Saitek X-52 Pro --SAITEK PZ35 Pedals Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moos_tachu Posted November 29, 2015 Share Posted November 29, 2015 Great charts. Interesting... Yes on paper it appears the Mirage has better sustained turn rate. That may help its lack of weapon and CM, but we will see. MiG vs. Mirage is something I'll be trying very quickly simply because I'm itching to have two full fidelity multirole fighters square off! This has never happened in DCS history Again, the M2000C is no multirole, it's an A/A fighter. And you already have plenty of full fidelity fighters in DCS, P-51 vs. FW190, F-86 vs. MiG-15... oh wait, maybe you mean modern fighters... which the MiG-21 is definitely not ;) I understand people on this forum can't help comparing the 21 and the 2000, and they won't stop doing it (at least until they get their hands on the Mirage and realize they don't play in the same league...) But stop wasting your time trying to find rational reasons for it, because they don't exist :) [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Mud, wind and fire. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
il_corleone Posted November 29, 2015 Share Posted November 29, 2015 The Mig 21 is not on the same category as the Mirage, there will be fun fights of course, but it not be "equal" in any part of the meaning. Expect the Mirage to be a good fighter for Mp matches, if you can avoid the Spam of 120,s . But for sure you will have more opportunities than in the 21 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zeus67 Posted November 30, 2015 Share Posted November 30, 2015 Just to fan the flames in the M-2000C vs Mig-21Bis discussion: The fight was done with sensors since visibility was nil and ceiling was very low. I got hit and lost the radar but by that time I got Magic lock and he was gone. The other one escaped and I couldn't follow, not in that whiteness and without radar and rwr. 1 "Programming today is a race between software engineers striving to build bigger and better idiot-proof programs, and the Universe trying to produce bigger and better idiots. So far, the Universe is winning." "The three most dangerous things in the world are a programmer with a soldering iron, a hardware type with a program patch and a user with an idea." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CptSmiley Posted November 30, 2015 Share Posted November 30, 2015 Just to fan the flames in the M-2000C vs Mig-21Bis discussion: The fight was done with sensors since visibility was nil and ceiling was very low. I got hit and lost the radar but by that time I got Magic lock and he was gone. The other one escaped and I couldn't follow, not in that whiteness and without radar and rwr. To add, we found this week we were not quite hitting posted sustained turn rates and losing energy faster than we should be. Something I will quickly fix when I get home from the holidays. "Witness mere F-14s taking off from adjacent flight decks, gracefully canting left and right, afterburners flaming, and there’s something that sweeps you away—or at least it does me. And no amount of knowledge of the potential abuses of carrier task forces can affect the depth of that feeling. It simply speaks to another part of me. It doesn’t want recriminations or politics. It just wants to fly.” ― Carl Sagan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paradox Posted November 30, 2015 Share Posted November 30, 2015 It looked like you were flying at about 50% N1 the whole time Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zeus67 Posted November 30, 2015 Share Posted November 30, 2015 It looked like you were flying at about 50% N1 the whole time I know how to build them, but do not expect me to know how to fly them. :) "Programming today is a race between software engineers striving to build bigger and better idiot-proof programs, and the Universe trying to produce bigger and better idiots. So far, the Universe is winning." "The three most dangerous things in the world are a programmer with a soldering iron, a hardware type with a program patch and a user with an idea." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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