USARStarkey Posted April 3, 2014 Share Posted April 3, 2014 So, I was just curious if anyone knew whether the D-30 in DCS wil use 130 grade or 150 grade fuel. Given that all German aircraft are very late marks I personally think the 150 grade would be necessary for the D-30 to be competitive. But who knows. [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC]Weed Be gone Needed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Friedrich-4B Posted April 9, 2014 Share Posted April 9, 2014 150 grade fuel started being delivered to all 8th AF fighter stations on 12 June 1944 http://www.wwiiaircraftperformance.org/mustang/150-fuel-13-june44-b.jpg Report on supply shows that 150 grade was not used in the 9th AF - where most of the P-47 FGs ended up, until later in the year: http://www.wwiiaircraftperformance.org/150grade/supplymemo-11july44.pdf Progress report on 150 Grade tests June 17 1944: http://www.wwiiaircraftperformance.org/p-47/17june44-progress-report.pdf 15 July 1944 test report on P-47D using 150 grade: http://www.wwiiaircraftperformance.org/p-47/p47-26167.html [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC]************************************* Fortunately, Mk IX is slightly stable, anyway, the required stick travel is not high... but nothing extraordinary. Very pleasant to fly, very controllable, predictable and steady. We never refuse to correct something that was found outside ED if it is really proven...But we never will follow some "experts" who think that only they are the greatest aerodynamic guru with a secret knowledge. :smartass: WWII AIRCRAFT PERFORMANCE Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
USARStarkey Posted April 11, 2014 Author Share Posted April 11, 2014 I was already aware of the use of 150 grade fuel. If I had not been I would not have made this post :) What I asked was whether or not it will get it in the game or not. I think if would be fair seeing as we are going up against very late model 109s and 190s. It should probably be assumed that IT IS later in the year since were getting a 109K (October 44) and a 190D (Dec 44 or Jan 45) OR that this is just a 8th air force P-47. [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC]Weed Be gone Needed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MiloMorai Posted April 11, 2014 Share Posted April 11, 2014 A standard K-4, which is what we should get, shouldn't give much trouble for the P-47. Unfortunately we will most probably get the C3 1.98ata K-4 which was only around for the last few weeks of the war in Europe in penny packet numbers and not really documented that it actually was used. The P-47 shouldn't get 150PN fuel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Friedrich-4B Posted April 11, 2014 Share Posted April 11, 2014 I was already aware of the use of 150 grade fuel. If I had not been I would not have made this post :) What I asked was whether or not it will get it in the game or not. I think if would be fair seeing as we are going up against very late model 109s and 190s. It should probably be assumed that IT IS later in the year since were getting a 109K (October 44) and a 190D (Dec 44 or Jan 45) OR that this is just a 8th air force P-47. I added the info so people can get an idea of when 150 grade was introduced to the 8th AF and how it improved the P-47D's performance (albeit, not specifically the -30): hopefully it will be an option for the P-47D... [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC]************************************* Fortunately, Mk IX is slightly stable, anyway, the required stick travel is not high... but nothing extraordinary. Very pleasant to fly, very controllable, predictable and steady. We never refuse to correct something that was found outside ED if it is really proven...But we never will follow some "experts" who think that only they are the greatest aerodynamic guru with a secret knowledge. :smartass: WWII AIRCRAFT PERFORMANCE Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
USARStarkey Posted April 11, 2014 Author Share Posted April 11, 2014 Sorry Friedrich my response was rather rude, I apologize. Why would we get the 1.98 ata K? I thought that was severely debunked in the forums already? Also, the screenshots show the gauge going to 1.8 ata, so what makes you think it will be 1.98ata. I certainly hope its not 1.98 that would ridiculous. But A non 150 grade fuel 47 hits about 435, whereas with 150, as friedrich kinda posted, can get up to 444 or so. [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC]Weed Be gone Needed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MiloMorai Posted April 11, 2014 Share Posted April 11, 2014 At what altitudes and how does this compare to the K-4 and D-9 you are so worried about, at those altitudes? What is wrong with working a little harder getting that kill? Those flying German have to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Friedrich-4B Posted April 11, 2014 Share Posted April 11, 2014 Sorry Friedrich my response was rather rude, I apologize. Why would we get the 1.98 ata K? I thought that was severely debunked in the forums already? Also, the screenshots show the gauge going to 1.8 ata, so what makes you think it will be 1.98ata. I certainly hope its not 1.98 that would ridiculous. But A non 150 grade fuel 47 hits about 435, whereas with 150, as friedrich kinda posted, can get up to 444 or so. I didn't read your response as being rude, so no apology needed. :thumbup: The power curves show that with 150 grade the maximum speeds were reached at lower altitudes; about 23 & 25,000 ft for 65" & 70" Hg respectively: Climb rates: Fw 190D-9 speeds: Focke-Wulf test results: http://www.wwiiaircraftperformance.org/fw190/Fw_190_D-9_C3.pdf [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC]************************************* Fortunately, Mk IX is slightly stable, anyway, the required stick travel is not high... but nothing extraordinary. Very pleasant to fly, very controllable, predictable and steady. We never refuse to correct something that was found outside ED if it is really proven...But we never will follow some "experts" who think that only they are the greatest aerodynamic guru with a secret knowledge. :smartass: WWII AIRCRAFT PERFORMANCE Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
USARStarkey Posted April 11, 2014 Author Share Posted April 11, 2014 So if were talking 20k on up to say 35k. The P-47 would be slightly more agile and if its using 150 grade fuel equal in speed. Without the 150 grade fuel, the P-47 is slower except at very very high altitudes above 30k-ish. IMO, if were getting at late model 109, we should get a P-47 has late war fuel in order to compete more realistically. I feel that it would somewhat lessen the joy of flying the Jug if I have to go up against a 109K in the least favorable conditions that can be conjured. ie: a late model 109K vs a D-28 or D-30 P-47 without the fuel it would have had during the era the 109k actually existed. Without the 150, the 109 will be decidedly superior. With 150, I feel they would be about even. [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC]Weed Be gone Needed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mslechta Posted April 13, 2014 Share Posted April 13, 2014 IMHO we do not need 150 grade fuel, we need P-47M against late BF and Fw. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
USARStarkey Posted April 13, 2014 Author Share Posted April 13, 2014 I agree with that absolutely man. But seeing as were stuck with a D-30, i think it should get as much performance as possible. But yeah, and M would be much more equivalent and reasonable. [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC]Weed Be gone Needed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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