DCS Mirage 2000C Discussion

Ah OK, so I will enter the realm oft pure speculation based on an educated guess! This is no official or by any means valid statement. Just my thoughts.

 

As the Beta Release (pre-order) is likely to see some changes to the EFM, may be need tweaks and fixes to systems, a campaign may need tweaking and adjusting after those changes.

 

I guess IF we see a campaign in the Beta release at all, it might be "beta" as well and need adjustment until the module is final.

 

I remember the performance tweak of the Huey, broke some missions (e.g. Mt. Elbrus rescue)... So last minute adjustments COULD affect the campaign missions.

 

Again, just speculation from some facts on my side.

 

May be Zeus or anyone from Razbam can answer that?

Yeah makes quite a bit of sense. Alone the confirmation that their EFM already doesn't use any scripting is a pretty good boost of my confidence in their product so let's hope we at least get a few good training missions and a manual at release, and the campaign can come later.

One other question, how long will the preorder discount of 20% be in effect? Im heavily leaning towards preordering the aircraft but would probably only be able to after October 1st.

Well, pre-order discount would mean you get the discount if you buy before it's released. Since it isn't due for release until December, I'd expect you're fine to purchase in October.

Does anyone have any good reading on the M2000? Systems descriptions, check lists, etc?

Well, pre-order discount would mean you get the discount if you buy before it's released. Since it isn't due for release until December, I'd expect you're fine to purchase in October.

 

Does anyone have any good reading on the M2000? Systems descriptions, check lists, etc?

As far as I know all official documents (flight manual for instance) are still confidential. You may found a few interesting books but nothing really technical.

POL ... I've seen that term/abbreviation several times. In the cockpit at the lower left panel (weapon panel, I suppose?) and it is also mentioned in the french RL M2KC manual (sadly me = non parlevouz francais ...?).

As far as I could gather information about this, it means "Police Mode" which, when enabled, does something to ... well, what? The aircraft (wing tip lights) and the weapons (again: what exactly?) and probably other components as well.

Police mode ... this seems to be used in, well, Air Policing Operations.

I am not exactly familar with this concept - can someone shed some light onto this topic? Does it differ from "Air Superiority" Operations?

And bonus points if someone can explain, why a special mode in the aircraft is used to support that type of operations (and ofc, what it exactly does with the aircraft).

I don't know exactly, but this video shows some stuff:

in A/A, POLice mode can select and lock targets while armed,

but will not fire weapons

 

in POL mode:

Magic is working in backgroundand lock onto target

POL selection cancel S530

Could be something for intercepting, and intimidation?

Could be something for intercepting, and intimidation?

Yes, like an ROE setting - or a weapon safety level.

Police means no use of deadly force unless absolutely necessary.

Police mode ... this seems to be used in, well, Air Policing Operations.

 

I am not exactly familar with this concept - can someone shed some light onto this topic? Does it differ from "Air Superiority" Operations?

 

And bonus points if someone can explain, why a special mode in the aircraft is used to support that type of operations (and ofc, what it exactly does with the aircraft).

I don't know much, but here's what I know.

One of the main everyday mission of the French Airforce is intercepting civilian aircraft (usually airliners) that enter a restricted area, are in distress or (usually) fail to make radio contact (eg. in case of radio failure). The fighters make the intercept to try and see what is the problem and communicate with the crew via visual signals, and they may escort them to an airport in case it is needed.

This is done both to counter hijacking, and help aircraft in distress, and is called "Police du ciel" ("Sky police"). I imagine a mode in which the pilot can establish a radar lock but not fire any missile would be a good thing for that. There is also a Police light, which is apparently used at night for "identification" (says the manual). Not sure, but I would guess maybe it illuminates the Mirage 2000 (cockpit?) to show itself to an intercepted aircraft.

PS: For training purposes, this kind of intercept is also practiced with non-distressed airliners (with the agreement of the crew).

POL ... I've seen that term/abbreviation several times. In the cockpit at the lower left panel (weapon panel, I suppose?) and it is also mentioned in the french RL M2KC manual (sadly me = non parlevouz francais ...?).

 

As far as I could gather information about this, it means "Police Mode" which, when enabled, does something to ... well, what? The aircraft (wing tip lights) and the weapons (again: what exactly?) and probably other components as well.

 

Police mode ... this seems to be used in, well, Air Policing Operations.

 

I am not exactly familar with this concept - can someone shed some light onto this topic? Does it differ from "Air Superiority" Operations?

 

And bonus points if someone can explain, why a special mode in the aircraft is used to support that type of operations (and ofc, what it exactly does with the aircraft).

POL mode, for POLice is intended to guide the aircraft into VID position, day or night, thanks to police light on left side of the aircraft.

France has always maintained several pairs of fighters in QRA to cover territory , 24/7 since cold war and never stopped...any unidentified aircraft would see one these fighters launched to identify and then assist if need be (or destroy in ultimate case), the other one in SBY ready to back up or launched if bogey is assumed to be a threat.

Numerous airliners and general aviation aircraft can cross the country, and during cold war East Germany was not far by air, so air police is paramount for FAF.

POL mode, for POLice is intended to guide the aircraft into VID position, day or night, thanks to police light on left side of the aircraft.

 

France has always maintained several pairs of fighters in QRA to cover territory , 24/7 since cold war and never stopped...any unidentified aircraft would see one these fighters launched to identify and then assist if need be (or destroy in ultimate case), the other one in SBY ready to back up or launched if bogey is assumed to be a threat.

 

Numerous airliners and general aviation aircraft can cross the country, and during cold war East Germany was not far by air, so air police is paramount for FAF.

Correct.

+1.

And the police light is intended to allow the Mirage pilot to distinguish details of the intercepted aircraft (e.g. registration) at night, by shedding light towards the front/left of the Mirage.

See here: http://www.airliners.net/photo/Qatar---Air/Dassault-Mirage-2000-5/2469783/L/

Locate the the "rescue" marking; below, circled red and half open, is the upper additional air intake; and just aft of that is the police light.

I wonder if the radio(s) will work when released?

Hi, how about russian manual?

Hand signals

I don't know much, but here's what I know.

 

One of the main everyday mission of the French Airforce is intercepting civilian aircraft (usually airliners) that enter a restricted area, are in distress or (usually) fail to make radio contact (eg. in case of radio failure). The fighters make the intercept to try and see what is the problem and communicate with the crew via visual signals, and they may escort them to an airport in case it is needed.

 

This is done both to counter hijacking, and help aircraft in distress, and is called "Police du ciel" ("Sky police"). I imagine a mode in which the pilot can establish a radar lock but not fire any missile would be a good thing for that. There is also a Police light, which is apparently used at night for "identification" (says the manual). Not sure, but I would guess maybe it illuminates the Mirage 2000 (cockpit?) to show itself to an intercepted aircraft.

 

PS: For training purposes, this kind of intercept is also practiced with non-distressed airliners (with the agreement of the crew).

Hi Robin Hood, FYI, we are more sofisticated in the French Airforce, we do not use hand signals anymore but smoke missiles, which are fired in front of the offending aircraft, delivering smoke puffs in a signal code form, a bit like the ancestral Indian format. We call them "Puff-Puff" missiles......in french:music_whistling:

I think you will like this.

I think you will like this.

 

Looks very good.

Look forward to flying her. :thumbup:

I like this part; what are those F5's doing there?! lol:thumbup:

I like this part; what are those F5's doing there?! lol:thumbup:

Quite a deja-vu :lol:

I think you will like this.

 

Thank you. Waiting for that since 2014. :joystick:

Flight Model looks good!!!

F-5 are back!!

It have to be in dev secretly!!

It is nice and easy to get the Mirage up and running!

Very nice un-obstructed view out of the cockpit, looking at the Vid, the pilot appears to sit high.

Looking forward to this one.

The startup process isnt complete it starts so quick. :)

Looks lovely I will definitely purchase. Can I just clarify will It be released with the SFM or will the EFM be ready for release?

Looks lovely I will definitely purchase. Can I just clarify will It be released with the SFM or will the EFM be ready for release?

There have been conflicting reports on that. Zeus has stated that if its ready, the plane will be released with the EFM. CptSmiley the FM coder has stated that the plane is already flying without any scripted behavior and that they are pretty far along in the development of the EFM.

There have been conflicting reports on that. Zeus has stated that if its ready, the plane will be released with the EFM. CptSmiley the FM coder has stated that the plane is already flying without any scripted behavior and that they are pretty far along in the development of the EFM.