DCS: AJS-37 Viggen Discussion

I think he meant that now that the F-5 is out we need a Lansen!

 

... yeah sure, this works for me! I'm okay with this. :joystick:

The notion that the strv 103 had a role or purpose different from any other tank is a myth. It's extremely widespread to the point that I can't think of any book in which it is debunked, and even Swedish museum curators and other people who are extremely knowledgeable about the tank don't seem to care enough to attempt to debunk it (probably because it requires a pretty long military nerd explanation that will get people's eyes to gloss over), but it's still a myth. I've written my own attempt at a debunking essay if you care enough to read a few thousand words about the thing.

Also, I'm going to go experience nature and stuff for the next two weeks or so. Don't you dare release the AJS 37 before I'm back, ya hear me Leatherneck?

(i'm trying reverse psychology here ok)

Having just seen the Lansen for the first time in real life the other day. It's a surprisingly large aircraft!

Just went up on their facebook page:

https://www.facebook.com/leathernecksim/photos/a.1590858094470196.1073741828.1586481878241151/1754250394797631/?type=3&theater

Just went up on their facebook page:

 

https://www.facebook.com/leathernecksim/photos/a.1590858094470196.1073741828.1586481878241151/1754250394797631/?type=3&theater

Viggens are scrambled. :D

Omg don't do this to us Cobra! XD

Having just seen the Lansen for the first time in real life the other day. It's a surprisingly large aircraft!

Yes it is pretty impressive!

Dear All,

 

First of all- thank you all for your patience in the past year.

Unfortunately plans don't always work out, and we're working very hard to remedy the situation as quickly as possible.

 

Here's a very quick summary of what we're working on and where we stand!

 

AJS-37 Viggen

 

We're all fairly quiet and keeping our heads low- as we're still very much knee deep in the AJS-37 completion crunch. Most of the current work is focused on a few critical areas:

 

• Correction of erroneous artwork
  
  
• Fixing of a few hundred bugs, including some critical
  
  
• Completion of ground mapping radar shader & visuals (Performance!)
  
  
• Campaign & Mission completion. (1 Mini Campaign, 1 Major Campaign & Training suite)
  
  
• Marketing materials, music licensing, livestream planning
  
  
• Expansion of the LN Site (including Merchandise- and MiG-21 rewards)
  
  
• New Theatres
  
  

 

The past few weeks have seen the completion of the last research trips conducted with real Viggens. Again, we visited the JA-37Di at Graz-Thalerhof to be able to remedy some of the erroneously constructed artwork. (Canopies are a PITA!). We're very grateful to all of the museums around Europe, which have graciously afforded us the ability to crawl all over their aircraft in search for complete accuracy!

 

The Viggen has been a very challenging project for us, both in size and complexity- but primarily in the new features that will be introduced with the aircraft. Our own, custom ground mapping radar has been a point of very difficult development- but we sincerely hope that the end result will be stunning in every way.

 

It all sounds, in writing, a little more pessimistic than it really should. We're getting there.

We're inching closer guys! :D

Nice.

We're inching closer guys! :D

Maybe 2 weeks?:D

Ok now seriously, I really think that we are very, very close to see the Viggen(September release, maybe?).

Maybe 2 weeks?:D

 

Ok now seriously, I really think that we are very, very close to see the Viggen(September release, maybe?).

Possibly, I'm sure at this point though that they have no idea themselves and they will just drop it on us the day it happens to be ready, and thats fine with me. :pilotfly:

Just went up on their facebook page:

 

https://www.facebook.com/leathernecksim/photos/a.1590858094470196.1073741828.1586481878241151/1754250394797631/?type=3&theater

I can't see that content. It says it isnt availbable or that I have to be a member of a group or something... Anyone got a snapshot?

I can't see that content. It says it isnt availbable or that I have to be a member of a group or something... Anyone got a snapshot?

I don't, but it was a photo of a line of Viggens that Cobra accidentally posted, it's since been removed. :-)

It was this picture that accidently ended up as a Facebook cover pic:

Photo was taken by Mr Lars E Lundin at Såtenäs AFB (F7) in August 1975.

The AJ37's were lined up before the visitors came to celebrate Flygvapnets huvudflygdag ("The Airforce Day") at F7 on August 31th. It was also F7's 35th anniversary.

Here is another picture from the same occasion, taken by Mr Åke Hall:

And a third one, also taken by Mr Lundin:

That was possibly also the first time that the general public got to see the the brand new JA37. The plane in the picture is the prototype aircraft no 37-5.

For those skilled in Swedish here is an issue of Flygvapennytt from 1974 telling the history of F7 Såtenäs, the first base to get the Viggen. There are also some really nice photos - a lot showing Viggens.

[ame]http://www.aef.se/Flygvapnet/Tidskrifter/FV_Nytt/Flygvapennytt_1974-4.pdf[/ame]

For those skilled in Swedish here is an issue of Flygvapennytt from 1974 telling the history of F7 Såtenäs, the first base to get the Viggen. There are also some really nice photos - a lot showing Viggens.

Nice, interesting read about the F-16

The F7 planes in the picture, did they ever get a repaint (camo) or did they stay like this during their service? I believed all AJ had the camo paint from delivery...

so we're getting the JA-37D? the version that can fire the AMRAAM, and Aim-9? and also has MFD screens?

The F7 planes in the picture, did they ever get a repaint (camo) or did they stay like this during their service? I believed all AJ had the camo paint from delivery...

The Camoflage paintscheme started appearing in small numbers around 1974 and started becoming the standard for the AJ 37 in the mid-70 and in the late 70s most of the AJs were using the Camo scheme.

And the AJ 37s delivered after 74 usually came with the Camo scheme as standard.

If you look at the photo you can see some of the AJ 37s have the Camo while most do not.

Dont know the exact date where the Last AJ 37s were painted with the camo but have not been able to find any photos depicting a AJ 37 in the 80s that is still unpainted so my guess would be that it became universal sometime around 78-79.

so we're getting the JA-37D? the version that can fire the AMRAAM, and Aim-9? and also has MFD screens?

We are getting the AJS-37 attack variant.

the JA-37D fighter variant will be a AI only addition (to give the AJS 37s come company / Escort for the Campaign missions etc)

Since it would not be a huge problem to remake the Visual Model from the AJ 37 standard to a JA 37 suitable to AI.

the AJS 37 is a strike variant and will have a number of different weapons at its disposal.

Including Antiship missiles(Both the RB04C and RB15F),Unguided bombs and rockets,Gunpods, Guided missiles in the form of the RB 05 (Air-Ground missile guided by the use of a small joystick in the cockpit)

and the AGM 65 Mavericks as well as being able to carry Aim-9s for self defence.

Ahh, okay got it.

We are getting the AJS-37 attack variant.

 

the JA-37D fighter variant will be a AI only addition (to give the AJS 37s come company / Escort for the Campaign missions etc)

Since it would not be a huge problem to remake the Visual Model from the AJ 37 standard to a JA 37 suitable to AI.

 

the AJS 37 is a strike variant and will have a number of different weapons at its disposal.

 

Including Antiship missiles(Both the RB04C and RB15F),Unguided bombs and rockets,Gunpods, Guided missiles in the form of the RB 05 (Air-Ground missile guided by the use of a small joystick in the cockpit)

and the AGM 65 Mavericks as well as being able to carry Aim-9s for self defence.

And thors Hammer ! Mighty BK90/DWS39 doomsday machine.

The Camoflage paintscheme started appearing in small numbers around 1974 and started becoming the standard for the AJ 37 in the mid-70 and in the late 70s most of the AJs were using the Camo scheme.

 

And the AJ 37s delivered after 74 usually came with the Camo scheme as standard.

 

If you look at the photo you can see some of the AJ 37s have the Camo while most do not.

 

Dont know the exact date where the Last AJ 37s were painted with the camo but have not been able to find any photos depicting a AJ 37 in the 80s that is still unpainted so my guess would be that it became universal sometime around 78-79.

Some info I have about the "pile of leaves" camouflage that might interest some here:

The pattern is often referred to as the "Viggen camouflage" in Sweden but it should be referred to as the "Bulldog camouflage" instead since the SK61 Bulldog was the first aircraft to get this paint scheme in 1972. The use of the four color, splinter camouflage began in the late 1960's and the more official name of the pattern is "FOA-kamouflage". FOA (Försvarets forskingsanstalt) was the Swedish Defense Research Agency which today is called FOI.

Ground vehicles where the first to get the new paint. The pattern should consist of:

30% black (093M)

30% dark green (326M)

34% light green (322M)

6% brown (507M)

From 1978 and ownard all new vehicles were delivered coated in the dark green and the rest of the colors where added afterwards.

Below is the "Anvisningar mönstermålning" (Instructions for pattern painting):

[ame]http://www.klabbe.eu/manualer/Anvisningarformonstermalning.pdf[/ame]

As already mentioned, the SK61 Bulldog was the first aircraft to receive the pattern. Aircraft no 61061 was the very first.

A few J35 Drakens were painted for test purposes. Aircraft #35220 was the first flyable. A Draken without a working engine had been the very first.

The first Draken (EDIT: thanx to Mattebubben for noticing my typo) to be painted in the new splinter camo was prototype 35-7 in the summer of 1972. This aircraft was destroyed later the same year in some sort of ordnance/explosive testing carried out by FOA.

In November 1973 the head of the Swedish airforce wrote:

"CFV hemställer att FMV-F utför provmålning av ett flygplan AJ37 samt utreder kostnader och tidsförhållanden för målning av samtliga fpl 37, J35, SK50, SK60 och SK61"

What he basically said was that he ordered that a AJ37 should be test painted in the new camo scheme and that research about costs and time frames for painting all 37's, the J35's, SK50's, SK60's and SK61's should be carried out.

In 1976 it was decided that all SK60's should get the paint scheme. 60131 was the first aircraft to be painted in 1977.

I haven't been successful in finding dates and plane numbers for when bare metal 37's were painted in camo. To make matters worse in this "research", some camo painted planes were repainted grey in the mid 1980's while some got to keep the camo pattern. This was supposedly done to "confuse the enemy" about what variants operated where and so on. I have no official statements to back this up though.

Well only the JA 37s had the grey paint (and only some of them)

Once the AJ 37s got their Camo paint they kept it.

the JA 37s got the Grey 2 shade camo as their main air superiority paintscheme but it was decided to have a number of the JA 37s painted like the AJ 37s in the green camo in order to make it so any enemy was unable to easily ID if they were facing a JA or a AJ 37.

Since while if they saw a Grey JA 37 they knew it was a fighter they could not tell as easily if they saw a green viggen.

Since it was almost as likely to be a JA 37 as it was to be a AJ or SH 37.

This also made it harder for the enemy to determine what numbers there was of each type.

And also a note on your comment im not sure if you mixed up info or something.

The first Viggen to be painted in the new splinter camo was prototype 35-7 in the summer of 1972. This aircraft was destroyed later the same year in some sort of ordnance/explosive testing carried out by FOA.

I assume you ment the First Draken to the painted in the splinter camo and not the first Viggen.

And while the Bulldog was the first Swedish aircraft to use the paintscheme and it later became standard for most vehicles the Viggen was the most Iconic aircraft / Vehicle to use it.

And also a note on your comment im not sure if you mixed up info or something.

 

 

 

I assume you ment the First Draken to the painted in the splinter camo and not the first Viggen.

 

And while the Bulldog was the first Swedish aircraft to use the paintscheme and it later became standard for most vehicles the Viggen was the most Iconic aircraft / Vehicle to use it.

Of course. Typo! :doh: I meant Draken. It was a J35 F prototype.