status of 109 leaving BETA status.

How long has the 109 K4 been a BETA?

It seems it has been for a while.

What is the status of finishing this aircraft?

And it looks as if the P-47 and the other World War Two projects are fading to obscurity.

VEAMO was working on a P-40 but if you check their forums,, activity is all but dead with no news.

I hope this isn't a trend and I hope I'm wrong.

I think most updates of all modules are delayed until the major update of DCS world 1.5.... Hopefully.

The DCS level of Complex aircraft take some serious time to model.... so yep lets see how hope helps the dudes that do the hard work.

I don't think that the 'beta' moniker means that much today. Even the modules firmly out of beta are still not complete. This doesn't mean that other modules under development are not being worked on. The pace is sometimes very slow, and sometimes priorities change but things are chugging along. I do think that we will see the Spitfire before the P47 as that is the aircraft that has been mentioned most recently in the last few video updates by ED.

The only real problem I have with the 109 is the lack of any skin other than captured or plain green when using the plane online. I am making co-op missions for my brother and I to practice on and I'd really like to have some accurate markings on the AI aircraft.

The only real problem I have with the 109 is the lack of any skin other than captured or plain green when using the plane online. I am making co-op missions for my brother and I to practice on and I'd really like to have some accurate markings on the AI aircraft.

Ummm... set the plane nation to be "Germany", and you will get lots of WW2 paint schemes... duh :P

The only real problem I have with the 109 is the lack of any skin other than captured or plain green when using the plane online. I am making co-op missions for my brother and I to practice on and I'd really like to have some accurate markings on the AI aircraft.

Make sure the company is set to Germany and you can pick a few JG skins.

Here's my 109 wishlist for post-beta:

1. Having the ground crew bend trim tabs for combat loaded cruising speed. This will stop the tail heavy tendency of the airplane even at full nose down trim.
   
2. The ability to change the ammunition loadout on the ground (MGSH round, MGSH round, Tracer, for example, in the 30mm)
   
3. As much as I love it, reduce the climbrate to it's historical level. Currently the 109 can climb to like 9km altitude in a little over 4 minutes or something like that. There's a pretty write up on the forums about it somewhere here.
   

Otherwise, I'm pretty happy with the K-4. It'll never be my beloved Emil or Friedrich, but it's good enough.

EDIT: wrong number. Also adding that all the stuff I mentioned have been written about, researched and discussed here on the forums; I'm not going to go digging around for the research to post it here. If you are interested in reading about it, look around, you'll find the topics. Make your own conclusions.

status of 109 leaving BETA status.

My only questions is when's the wing mounted cannons going to come (gondola pods)

Ummm... set the plane nation to be "Germany", and you will get lots of WW2 paint schemes... duh :P

Duh accepted. :thumbup:

It was my assumption that messed me up.

I'm new to DCS and I am very glad to now have it. I am used to the old IL2 game.. Each aircraft had a skin folder. You put skins in it and you could access them no matter what nationality you assigned to the aircraft. Different simulation different setup.

Lesson learned, and thanks for your post.

Now if we can get wing cannons.. WOOT WOOT!!

2 I am not sure that will happen either, I would like some options like the A-10, BUT we need to find out if that happened much (changes per mission) etc.

The great majority of shells in the belt were mineshells:

" Es wurden hauptsächlich explodierende Minengeschosse verschossen, die beim Einschlag in feindliche Maschinen größere Schäden verursachten."

Luftwaffe museum Gatow.

"Es wurden hauptsächlich Minengeschosse verschossen"

Manfred Griehl: Deutsche Flugzeugbewaffnung bis 1945. Motorbuch Verlag, Stuttgart 2008

It is stated here that each shell was loaded by hand in the belt:

It is hard for me to belive that if Hartmann or any other pilot told his mechanic "I want 3 mineschells and a tracer " he would have got a negative answer ?

It's like today in formula 1.It's obvious that the pilot's opinion is important when it comes to car, plane setup.

Is also obvious that tracer rounds existed. It would be normal for such ammo to be used. Same goes for training ammo.

Here's my 109 wishlist for post-beta:

 

[*]Having the ground crew bend trim tabs for combat loaded cruising speed. This will stop the tail heavy tendency of the airplane even at full nose down trim.

 

This.

+1

This.

+1

Its also hard for me to believe that each pilot decided to change what was loaded into their plane each flight, I am sure there was a standard load out based on mission type, not per pilots preference, per pilot per flight...

Exactly that, everything else would be ...

... wishful thinking. Even Hartmann would not have been able to overcome certain constraints in availability of his preferred load out. He'd take what was there, was it Minengeschoss or Leuchtspur. In his case it wouldn't have made a difference anyway since his doctrine was not to shoot out of range greater than approx. 60m or closer. In this case every load out had a devastating if not lethal effect.

in the "schiessfibel" are some (i think) common ammomixes .... would bepossible for sure to implement it like the different ammos for the A10

just my 2 cent :music_whistling:

oh ... in the lower text it says "Den Anteil der L`spur wähle nach Deiner eigenen Erfahrung"

translated would that be "The amount of tracer choose according to YOUR OWN EXPERIENCE"

This brings me to the conclusion that the pilot HAD THE CHOICE of how his ammo was configured(concearning the amount of tracerrounds, wich might not be possible due to the fact that not every type of ammo was available with tracers)

Every pilot not depending on country had ground crew that does everything with him. We can read about it in pilot's publications and intervieed. Bud Anderson 16 1/4 kills, said to his crew he would like a silver P51 instead of green. And his crew changed his paint scheme within one night.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4juN7Vy7KUA

We have supposedly 1944 so that's 6 more months of war, so that's still a lot of time. Of course we can say that the airfield is undersupplied but, don't we want whole simulation of airplanes systems and among them weapon systems? :3

Exactly that, everything else would be ...

... wishful thinking. Even Hartmann would not have been able to overcome certain constraints in availability of his preferred load out. He'd take what was there, was it Minengeschoss or Leuchtspur. In his case it wouldn't have made a difference anyway since his doctrine was not to shoot out of range greater than approx. 60m or closer. In this case every load out had a devastating if not lethal effect.

I agree. Ammunition comes in standard mixes even in the Luftwaffe. iIRC. The standard mixes are in the Schiessfibel. The "according to your own experience" I would think refers to choosing between those mixes without tracer and standard mixes that include tracer. .50 caliber for example came in 5:1 mix (API to Tracer), Ball, or 5:1 mix ball as a few of the standard choices when I was in the Army.