DCS: A-10C Warthog

A-10C and the BATTLESIM

http://www.thebattlesim.com/img/home/Press_Release.doc

Even depleted uranium is radioactive but in extremely small amounts...

 

To be exposed to radiation from uranium, you have to eat, drink, or breathe it, or get it on your skin. The aerosol produced during impact and combustion of depleted uranium munitions can potentially contaminate wide areas around the impact sites or can be inhaled by civilians and military personnel.

 

// Wiki

That is true, but the problem is not the minimal radioactivity alone, but the fact that the human body is not able to get rid of the substance and instead gathers the fine dust in cells and organs.

Being a cancerogene itself + the minimum radiation concentrated on vital places in the body is, what causes the threat.

Basically it's the same as with most other heavy metals, like lead for example. It's not radioactive, but has very much the same effect on the body and organs, because the body is not capable of dumping even the smalles ammounts.

A-10C and the BATTLESIM

 

www.thebattlesim.com/img/home/Press_Release.doc

So when are we getting our AC-130 Gunship?:D

Although the designers forgot to put a QWERTY keyboard in the plane, what is this an early 80's home micro with that alphabetical layout?!?! :)

Pilots are stupid... So most FMS keypads are laid out like that.

More intuitive than you think when it's in front of you.

Outside of the obvious added A-10 my biggest hope is proper Multi-core support. If we got such a good boost from the altered affinity programing in Vista imagine how much of boost we'd get from proper multi-core use and without the need to dual boot anymore.

Also I see some training weapons are going in, those CAT weapons are the ones that don't fire but just simulate it to save money right?

I could understand (to a degree) the aversion to real nuclear weapons but I'm a bit puzzled by your qualms about DU.

See post #74:

"The aerosol produced during impact and combustion of depleted uranium munitions can potentially contaminate wide areas around the impact sites or can be inhaled by civilians and military personnel."

It is the after effects of DU. Unfortunately, the news channels are not interested in those stories, so wider audience is just not informed. There is a lots of bad things happening in areas where DU munition was used.

And my aversion is against the nuclear waste used as weapon. DU is nuclear waste. Normally, nuclear waste, even when it is not "harmful", is buried deep, deep under ground.

In case of DU shells, it is vaporized on impact and spread around the people and domestic animals.

I am not against wars. In wars people die and kill each other, which I accept as reality and necessity of the war. But I am against poisoning ground, people and animal for decades after the conflict.

A central European theater would be awesome playgrounds for the A-10 and AH-64. Either a historical 1980s Germany scenario, or if the time frame is no option, a fictional neo-cold war set in the new NATO members in eastern Europe. But I somehow doubt that we will see new terrain from ED with A-10 (that is not 3rd party). It does not make much sense to me to invest work in terrain for the current engine with a new engine in development.

I handled DU rounds in the military. They dont cause cancer, or make you sterile...because it is DEPLETED uranium.

I wish you healthy and happy life. But be careful.

About DU ammo.

http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/land/pgu-14.htm

Uranium-238 becomes DU, which is 0.7 times as radioactive as natural uranium. Since DU has a half-life of 4.5 billion years, there is very little decay of those DU materials. When manufactured as 30mm rounds, each DU projectile contains approximately 4,650 grains [0.66 pounds (lbs)] of extruded DU, alloyed with 0.75 weight percent titanium. The projectile is encased in a 0.8 mm-thick aluminum shell as the final DU round.

All that matters is that DU devestates the enemy...Thats all the military should be concerned with.

I am not against wars. In wars people die and kill each other, which I accept as reality and necessity of the war. But I am against poisoning ground, people and animal for decades after the conflict.

I see an oxymoron in this statement. OK, let's kill each other but with certain rules. There are no rules in wars. You are either against the war or for it with all the consequences wars bring. Believing in a war with certain rules is just being naive.

Besides, I really don't see a point of being against the use of DU ammunition in a computer simulation? I mean, really..

I see an oxymoron in this statement. OK, let's kill each other but with certain rules. There are no rules in wars. You are either against the war or for it with all the consequences wars bring.

And this is my last statement on the use of DU in DCS series.

Regards,

I can see that the discussion about ethics and moral of war are interesting and important. These are certainly discussions that should be done. But I think they should not be done here on the forum of a computer game.

Have to agree with MBot. I was just about to post the same thing.

I would rather see this discussion taken to off topic.

I don't know if this has been brought up elsewhere, but are there currently any plans to incorporate a new theatre into DCS:Warthog? Quite frankly I'm getting bored sick of flying in the Caucasus... why not a European map with hordes of Soviet armour to strafe? Or a middle east campaign like Iraq/Afghanistan (particually for the Apache!). I'm sure there are also a lot of Falcon 4.0 fliers who'd probably like to see a Korea map (unless thats just me lol).

Well, Nevada is being worked on, no?

Also, Afghanistan is not the Middle East. :smilewink:

ive seen the nellis range pics. and now it brings the question. "how will this area of scenery be introduced within DCS ?" would i be right in saying it has to be a seperate entity and therefore scenery will go down a modular path where development on non Caucasus scenery is concerned.

I was kinda curious about the Nellis thing too. Are we going to fight in Nevada USA or is that where the training is going to take place? And maybe a Red Flag campaign like the Deployment campaign in Black Shark.

I was kinda curious about the Nellis thing too. Are we going to fight in Nevada USA or is that where the training is going to take place? And maybe a Red Flag campaign like the Deployment campaign in Black Shark.

That would be really cool!

I don't know if this has been brought up elsewhere, but are there currently any plans to incorporate a new theatre into DCS:Wathog? Quite frankly I'm getting bored sick of flying in the Caucasus... why not a European map with hordes of Soviet armour to strafe? Or a middle east campaign like Iraq/Afghanistan (particually for the Apache!). I'm sure there are also a lot of Falcon 4.0 fliers who'd probably like to see a Korea map (unless thats just me lol).

How about Cuba? And Southern Florida...

Could make a nice futuristic hypothetical campaign...

Arizona

Nah, eastern Europe would be best :-)

Return to Crimea!

All that matters is that DU devestates the enemy...Thats all the military should be concerned with.

You forgot to add "along with at least making sure it's own people don't get poisoned in the process". ;)

I think we should (hypocritically, I know) leave the topic of DU to another thread, unless we specifically want to know if it will be in the DCS module, which is a foregone conclusion since it obviously will be.

I've just fallen in love with the A-10, looks amazing.

Out of interest what facts do we know about the scenarios planned for it?

Nevada [as a location] is certain, anything else?

rgds, MM

They might be implying more integration than actually exists to try to capture customers, but TIS - the company ED works with for the A-10 military sim has a page covering its products packages, one of which is listed under the header "Ground Environment" as "RealWorld Ground Environment Sample Scenario"

http://www.totalimmersionsoftware.com/ground_scenario.html

and has the following images to accompany this text:

- Practice coordinated ingress, mission execution and egress

- Recon team scopes out insurgent numbers, activities. Radios intel to assault team

- Assault team arrives via helicopter, inserts on rooftop

- Snipers neutralize outside threats while assault team enters building and engages OPFOR (opposing force), locates and retrieves intelligence

and

- A-10C called in by radio to neutralize OPFOR in get-away vehicle loaded with bombs

- A-10C flies over, locates and confirms target with ground operators

- A-10C flies over, locates & confirms target with ground operators; drops guided bomb and eliminates getaway vehicle

- Ground teams exfiltrate

FPS for first images, player in FPS calls airstrike, third image from some itteration of ED's engine...

Implying - at least to me - some level of integration between the two...

Total Immersion is currently under a multi-year contract with the Defense Advance Research Projects Agency (DARPA) to create the RealWorld program, a rapid mission rehearsal system that will provide the U.S. military with a robust simulation engine complete with tools and resources necessary to create a variety of unique and diversified mission training applications.

 

“We’re very pleased to be working with TFC on this important simulation project,” said Carl Norman, Program Manager for TIS. “The DTT project is an exciting undertaking where we are able to create a synergy between the technical abilities and skills from the entertainment gaming business and the creative and innovative training approach that the Air National Guard has always provided to the U.S. Air Force.” Norman also added, “This A-10C DTT project is one of the first applications that we will be integrating into our RealWorld rapid mission rehearsal project.”

 

The Nevada theater is great yes, but it doesn't provide much in the way of Yanks vs Ruskies does it ;). Will be freakin' awesome for Red Flag exercises yes, but as far as a realistic campaign theater it's not really the best choice.

Balkan's would be awesome, some good opportunities for terrain masking there :D... just watch those Igla's!