Next DCS (European) Fixed Wing Aircraft Wish List

Both are being worked on. RAZBAM is doing the 2000C, Aviodev the 3.

It's not unrealistic to have SP/MP missions with mig-21s fighting against each other, just sayin.

For offline, I use the F-86, F-4, and F-5 as opponents. All work well and were historical opposition for the MiG. In MP you can use the F-86 as an opponent. Technically inferior, but this is a game about complete balancing. It would be interesting to use the F-86 against the MiG as it is to use the MiG against FC3 aircraft.

Not to mention FC3 against the MIG.

Both are being worked on. RAZBAM is doing the 2000C, Aviodev the 3.

Aviodev has been posting pics of the F1, not hte Mirage III.

Tbh, its the first time i heard somebody was making the III

Mirage F1 (the one from Aviodev, currently discussing weather to make it a CE or EE.

Ah, my mistake, it's the F1. The F1 is also a good opponent though.

Greetings to everybody and my congratulation to DCS for their work in the hardcore flight simulation area. Now...

 

I Don´t have any DCS a/c... but I´m waiting paciently...

 

Why?

 

Because:

P51------>Me109 (and Dora)

Mig-15 -->F86

Mig-21---> ???????

 

So I´m almost sure the oponent WILL be one of these, and if it is, instapurchase for me.

 

Arab/Israeli war...

M-3 could be the natural oponent of the Mig-21 (and is not a complex a/c design).

 

Vietnam War

F4? It could lead also to add the A-4 B or C too (eventhoguh develop of the F-4 radar could be an obstacle, and also being a two seater...).

 

And If you have the M-3 and the A-4, why not to add the Sea Harrier? Ships should not be a problem, and you could simulate the falklands/Malvinas war.

 

The M-3 is not a complex A/C to be digitaized.

I flew the M-5 in my country many years ago, it was a marvelous. Belive me, you would certainly love it too.

 

So I´m really really confident the M-3 will show up one of this days.

P-51, Fw190,Bf 109 = ED.

F-86F and Mig-15 = BelSimTek.

MiG-21Bis = LeatherNeck.

Leatherneck is developing the F-14A/B

Best answer you're gonna get.

If you delve into the third party forums you will find theres a few potential adversaries for the Fishbed planned. Hopefully a couple will make it all the way to a full release ;)

Even though they don't do this, I think it goes without saying that every flyable fighter aircraft should have a contemporary human flyable aggressor. It is literally the only way to get the most out of the product. Given there is a large desire fly and employ these aircraft for what they were designed to do, doing that against only broken AI gets stale fast. The F4 is probably the most logical opponent to the Mig-21. Any single dissimilar same Gen fighter would do. There are obvious limitations to time frame such releases could occur, but I would personally not by a fighter who's contemporary wasn't planned for release by some Dev.

The F-4's Soviet counterpart is the MIG-23. Going up in a MIG-21Bis would not be very fun. Some surely won't mind, but for those who like to play against humans and have it be relatively fair for the two won't be happy.

I suppose a Mirage 3/5, F-5E, and F-104 are probably better counterparts if you are trying to make it more equal to both players.

Given that the majority of DCS players don't play MP, there is not a pressing need for the appropriate opponents to be flyable.

On the other hand, perhaps if they had fleshed out the cold war aircraft on each side so that we could have some sort of plausible multiplayer then there may have been more in MP.

Most of the MP is some pretty unrealistic aircraft match ups, at least on the servers that have more than a few people.

I have no idea why someone wants to play a Realistic Sim then have both Soviet/Russian and American aircraft on both sides.

About the only thing realistic going on is P-51 vs Dora/109, and Clod does it better.

On the other hand, perhaps if they had fleshed out the cold war aircraft on each side so that we could have some sort of plausible multiplayer then there may have been more in MP.

 

Most of the MP is some pretty unrealistic aircraft match ups, at least on the servers that have more than a few people.

 

I have no idea why someone wants to play a Realistic Sim then have both Soviet/Russian and American aircraft on both sides.

 

About the only thing realistic going on is P-51 vs Dora/109, and Clod does it better.

Fair point. Lots of virtual squads specializing in non-modern combat AC are waiting for DCS to include more historic plane/theater matchups. As soon as that happens customer base for this sim is going to increase for sure.

Don't sit around and wait for the ideal match aircraft to be developed and released, though. As we can see in Syria, -21's are very active in that theater. A good pilot in a MiG-21 can smoke an idiot in an F-15.

Problem is the AI aren't idiots, and neither are most people in multiplayer.

Unless you try to fly stealthy between mountains or whatever your opponent will almost always get the first shot off and have a SA , countermeasures and range advantage

Edit : i like the mig don't get me wrong , but it ****ing sucks in air to air combat compared to the other flyables

Greetings to everybody and my congratulation to DCS for their work in the hardcore flight simulation area. Now...

 

I Don´t have any DCS a/c... but I´m waiting paciently...

 

Why?

 

Because:

P51------>Me109 (and Dora)

Mig-15 -->F86

Mig-21---> ???????

 

So I´m almost sure the oponent WILL be one of these, and if it is, instapurchase for me.

 

Arab/Israeli war...

M-3 could be the natural oponent of the Mig-21 (and is not a complex a/c design).

 

Vietnam War

F4? It could lead also to add the A-4 B or C too (eventhoguh develop of the F-4 radar could be an obstacle, and also being a two seater...).

 

And If you have the M-3 and the A-4, why not to add the Sea Harrier? Ships should not be a problem, and you could simulate the falklands/Malvinas war.

 

The M-3 is not a complex A/C to be digitaized.

I flew the M-5 in my country many years ago, it was a marvelous. Belive me, you would certainly love it too.

 

So I´m really really confident the M-3 will show up one of this days.

if we compare introduction dates There is one year between fw-190 and p-51's introduction.

Both mig-15 and f-86's introduction years are same.

then f-106 delta dart,f-104 starfighter or saab 35 draken can be fair option for mig-21.

The F-8 Crusader would be the perfect match up for the MiG-21

f -104 starfighter is the direct competitor to the mig 21

Mirage III, USAF century series, first F-4 variants (B/C/D/J/N) and F-8 are suitable oponents for the 21"no-bis".

21bis entered in service in 1972/3.

Maybe the future Mirage F-1 from Aviodev is the perfect nemesis for the 21bis, alongside with F-4E/S, F-104S, 14A, 15A, 16A, JA-37 and the rest of the airplanes of the late 70's and first 80's.

Regards.

The 21BIS has had to fight against more advanced aircraft BUT if you actually want people to show up and dogfight online in any significant numbers you should probably match it up with an aircraft from the same generation. It would be Gen2 or Gen2+.

via defpak forums

USMC_Trey. To paraphrase me. "You sim with the players you have on the server but if enough players get jacked off; you play against bots; and then the server sits empty"

"Mission Accomplished" ... but not something a server admin wants to put effort into. You can put the Mig up against anything you want but it doesn't mean that people will want to play that game.

Dick Cheney knows about war but he doesn't know jack about DCS.

Ideally, someone would do an F-5E. It really is the direct western equivalent of the MiG-21Bis. It's a WVR only gunfighter with a few sidewinders. The radar on it is basically an afterthought (initial F-5A's didn't have radar) but it has a pretty good RWR compared to the MiG-21Bis. Flight performance wise, the MiG-21Bis is faster and the F-5E is more agile. Going guns in either plane is almost a given provided you survive any BVR element. The introduction dates for both aircraft are also similar, both being early/mid 1970's.

Mirage III, USAF century series, first F-4 variants (B/C/D/J/N) and F-8 are suitable oponents for the 21"no-bis".

21bis entered in service in 1972/3.

 

Maybe the future Mirage F-1 from Aviodev is the perfect nemesis for the 21bis, alongside with F-4E/S, F-104S, 14A, 15A, 16A, JA-37 and the rest of the airplanes of the late 70's and first 80's.

 

Regards.

My vote goes then for the Mirage F1 :thumbup:

I would like to see the English Electric Canberra, maybe the US variant on a Vietnam map too.

Hi.

I´m from Sweden and I really like these aircraft but it would be nice to see the Swedish JAS 39 Gripen, in the DCS.

Messerschmit Bf-110G-4 Nacthenjager.

My Top Ten:

1. Rafale

2. Rafale

3. Rafale

4. Rafale

5. Gripen

6. 'Phoon

7. Rafale!

8. Rafale!!!

9. Gripen

10. 'Phoon

But seriously if we had a DCS-fidelity Rafale I doubt I would again touch any other plane.

My Top Ten:

 

1. Rafale

2. Rafale

3. Rafale

4. Rafale

5. Gripen

6. 'Phoon

7. Rafale!

8. Rafale!!!

9. Gripen

10. 'Phoon

 

But seriously if we had a DCS-fidelity Rafale I doubt I would again touch any other plane.

Same I will buy rafale for all my friends so all have one.

Cant go back when u touched the raffy. :joystick: