Flagrum Posted April 23, 2014 Share Posted April 23, 2014 Sure, it should be quite obvious, but we all know that isnt how the real world works, and you have seen how watered down the AFM term is now it never hurts to explain it a little more. Its just an added layer of info, someone well read on the subject might not need it, others just coming in, or not as well read might appreciate it. But that would require at least some clarification of how an EFM can differ from the other FMs - capability-wise. That info is atm not available. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ED Team NineLine Posted April 23, 2014 ED Team Share Posted April 23, 2014 But that would require at least some clarification of how an EFM can differ from the other FMs - capability-wise. That info is atm not available. You are over complicating it :) EFM = 3rd Party Flight Model Its up to that 3rd Party team to explain what fidelity that FM is, using the terms ED uses, or other means. Forum Rules • My YouTube • My Discord - NineLine#0440• **How to Report a Bug** Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flagrum Posted April 23, 2014 Share Posted April 23, 2014 You are over complicating it :) EFM = 3rd Party Flight Model Its up to that 3rd Party team to explain what fidelity that FM is, using the terms ED uses, or other means. No. ED is overcomplicating it: as I said it already earlier, the term "EFM" adds nothing of value if it still is necessary to explain it further by using the terms "like SFM/AFM/PFM". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ED Team NineLine Posted April 23, 2014 ED Team Share Posted April 23, 2014 No. ED is overcomplicating it: as I said it already earlier, the term "EFM" adds nothing of value if it still is necessary to explain it further by using the terms "like SFM/AFM/PFM". You are welcome to your opinion. But ED sees value in the term, you can ignore it ;) Forum Rules • My YouTube • My Discord - NineLine#0440• **How to Report a Bug** Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolf Rider Posted April 24, 2014 Share Posted April 24, 2014 EFM just makes a simplified delineator between 3rd party effort and inhouse DCS effort... there's nothing confusing there. At that, we know where the effort came from - clearly. The "devil in the detail" lay in the SFM/ AFM/ AFM+ and PFM goal posts - and they should be goalposts. They should be clearly defined and kept clearly defined. As mentioned, we've already seen the top level watered down... let's not see the lines of these new levels become murky and ill-defined. if its not AFM, its SFM (if it is almost AFM - its is still SFM) etc City Hall is easier to fight, than a boys' club - an observation :P "Resort is had to ridicule only when reason is against us." - Jefferson "Give a group of potheads a bunch of weed and nothing to smoke out of, and they'll quickly turn into engineers... its simply amazing." EVGA X99 FTW, EVGA GTX980Ti FTW, i7 5930K, 16Gb Corsair Dominator 2666Hz, Windows 7 Ultimate 64Bit, Intel 520 SSD x 2, Samsung PX2370 monitor and all the other toys - "I am a leaf on the wind, watch how I soar" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cichlidfan Posted April 24, 2014 Share Posted April 24, 2014 If EFM = Third Party Flight Model (not ED Partner Flight Model), and we postulate that ED (or their Partners) are not going to create the FM for a third party aircraft, then EFM becomes a given for ALL third party aircraft. ASUS ROG Maximus VIII Hero, i7-6700K, Noctua NH-D14 Cooler, Crucial 32GB DDR4 2133, Samsung 950 Pro NVMe 256GB, Samsung EVO 250GB & 500GB SSD, 2TB Caviar Black, Zotac GTX 1080 AMP! Extreme 8GB, Corsair HX1000i, Phillips BDM4065UC 40" 4k monitor, VX2258 TouchScreen, TIR 5 w/ProClip, TM Warthog, VKB Gladiator Pro, Saitek X56, et. al., MFG Crosswind Pedals #1199, VolairSim Pit, Rift CV1 :thumbup: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RagnarDa Posted April 24, 2014 Share Posted April 24, 2014 (edited) EFM vs PFM Guys, a FM can't be both SFM and EFM or AFM. Those are names of different technologies. Again, SFM stands for _Survey_ Flight Model and is a technique to implement a flight model, not a name for level of fidelity even though it's implied because of the limitations of the SFM-system. I think AFM is best defined as "not SFM". EFM is most likely the API that opens up flight modelling for the other parties that don't have access to the source code of DCS. Try to think of it more like DirectX vs OpenGL vs any other technology. Edit: please read my previous post again, more carefully. There are no limitations in the EFM-system (as far as I can see) to simulate either buoyancy or anti-gravity drives ;) Neither is there anything stopping you from using pre-existing FM-libraries like rotorlib or JSBSim, but it still realistically takes more time to implement than you think. Edited April 24, 2014 by RagnarDa DCS AJS37 HACKERMAN There will always be bugs. If everything is a priority nothing is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolf Rider Posted April 24, 2014 Share Posted April 24, 2014 SFM = Standard_Flight_Model just a timely reminder -> http://forums.eagle.ru/showpost.php?p=2039947&postcount=1 City Hall is easier to fight, than a boys' club - an observation :P "Resort is had to ridicule only when reason is against us." - Jefferson "Give a group of potheads a bunch of weed and nothing to smoke out of, and they'll quickly turn into engineers... its simply amazing." EVGA X99 FTW, EVGA GTX980Ti FTW, i7 5930K, 16Gb Corsair Dominator 2666Hz, Windows 7 Ultimate 64Bit, Intel 520 SSD x 2, Samsung PX2370 monitor and all the other toys - "I am a leaf on the wind, watch how I soar" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
159th_Falcon Posted April 24, 2014 Share Posted April 24, 2014 Ok, ill solve the riddle; EFM = External Flight Model PFM = Pure ****ing Magic, ie the input is known, what happens no one knows and the output is pure flightsim perfection. [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] The keeper of all mathematical knowledge and the oracle of flight modeling.:) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RagnarDa Posted April 24, 2014 Share Posted April 24, 2014 EFM vs PFM Lol ^^^ it's settled then. I was sure the SFM stood for Survey Flight Model at least at one point, but it could possibly be my memory that fails me DCS AJS37 HACKERMAN There will always be bugs. If everything is a priority nothing is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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