Nuclear Harden Builds?

Is a 'Russian - Warehouses - Ammunition Depot' nuclear hardened?

I set 2 up in a mission and could NOT even scratch the paint.

Dropped 2 GBU-31's, 2 GBU-10's, then tried knockin' in the front door with a 300lb Maverick AGM-65K!

Don't think it even interrupted their card game!!:cry:

Somebody give me just a clue?

Tanks, Tanks Very much

Well, those aren't nuclear weapons. How about you take a MiG-21 and actually drop a nuke on it :D

On a more serious note: Ammo depots are indeed pretty solid. But I think after 3-4 GBU-10s they should go down. I've done that in the past IIRC.

This is some serious sh?t here with this Ammo Depot.

I just dropped 8 GBU -10's on top of it, all within 2-3 meters. Then another 2 AGM-65K's

What's the trick here; does the GBU-10 have a delayed fuse setting I haven't figured out?

This is some serious sh?t here with this Ammo Depot.

 

I just dropped 8 GBU -10's on top of it, all within 2-3 meters. Then another 2 AGM-65K's

 

What's the trick here; does the GBU-10 have a delayed fuse setting I haven't figured out?

It does indeed has a delayed fuse setting, that can be selected through the inventory page IIRC (tail fusing). But it shouldn't make any difference to the damage ingame.

I've dropped BeTAB 500 shP, specially designed for bunker busting, on them, with no effect and the nuke only turned the grass brown. :lol:

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So in effect this target is not a target to waste warheads on....just destroy and kill everything else around it?

Seriously folks, can these be destroyed?

There is a bug where buildings sometimes can't be destroyed.

There is no bug. There is one way.

What weapon was that?

S-25L I believe

What weapon was that?

Those are the S25 OFM. It's a 190Kg warhead. Used All 8 to destroy the bunker which adds up to 1520kg payload.

The problem here is that the A10c was cant carry such heavy payloads. 10 GBU-12 will be around 890kg you would need 2 A10s with 8 GBU-12 each.

Still, something doesn't add up. A-10C can easily (meaning without exceeding the max weight) take 6 GBU-31s, each with a 429kg warhead. This is total of 2574kg of explosives, a lot more than the 8 S25 OFMs from the test above. And this still doesn't even make a dent in the "Ammunition Depot".

Does the S25's higher velocity and thus kinetic energy make that much of a difference?

... destroyed, blowed up real good dead bunker.

 

Now that's what I call a BDA. ;)

The A-10 appears to damage the bunker in two shots, but nothing like the Strike Eagle...

Huh? As I said before, with the A-10C, even 6 GBU-31s don't touch the bunker. Are you using the right one? It's called Static Object->Russia->Warehouses->Ammunition depot in the ME.

The GBU-31/10 are not really the weapons of choice to break these bunkers. The GBU-27 "Bunker Buster" should do the job with one weapon. But I don't remember, if we have these in DCS (for F-117A or F-15E).

While DCS doesn't simulate the specific reasons why the A-10C can't take out a major hardened structure, it does replicate the end result pretty well.

As others have pointed out, a GBU-31v1B as is carried by the A-10C is not a hardened target penetrator. This is further compounded by the fact that, in DCS, every weapon used by the A-10C has zero delay impact fusing.

Without a delay fuse it doesn't matter how much explosive is in the bombs you throw at a hardened structure, and it doesn't matter how many bombs to keep throwing at that target either. Each and every weapon will explode on the surface of the bunker allowing all it's energy to dissipate into the air without causing any significant damage.

Delay fusing however allows the weapon to punch in to the concrete/earth of the structure and explode within giving a significantly higher effect for the same amount of explosive.

Think of the old fire cracker in the palm of your hand example. Open palm leads to a bit of a skin surface burn, closed palm leads to no more hand.

This is why weapon fusing is so important in reality, it dramatically affects the characteristics and capability of the weapon.

Hard target penetrator weapons such as the GBU-31v3B have different warheads entirely than their non penetrator counterparts. While the designation of the weapon might make them sound like the same weapon, they are not, only the guidance kit is the same (mostly). The GBU-31v3B uses a BLU-109 warhead rather than a MK-84, which has a much thicker steel case allowing it to punch through a lot of concrete/earth with nothing more than it's kinetic energy, before the delay fuse detonates the explosive within.

While there is truth in the statement that fast jets can deliver weapons with more energy, this isn't the main reason for them having more effect on hardened targets. The main reason is the weapons themselves. The A-10C simply isn't equipped to engage such targets in DCS, in reality some specialist weapons have been used on the A-10C in recent ops none of those weapons are present in DCS, and likely won't be as they were weapons produced in small numbers for specialist operational requirements.