bob_baer Posted June 4, 2016 Share Posted June 4, 2016 Not sure I'm understanding what to do when declaring approach. Tower tell me to go heading 300 for 10. How do I measure 10 miles?! Do I simply go straight and have to wait for clearance to land? Inviato dal mio iPhone utilizzando Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
firmek Posted June 4, 2016 Share Posted June 4, 2016 Good question - I didn't manage to figure out how to do it precisely. Assuming that the ATC gives the directions to intercept the approach slope and I want to follow it than I: - turn towards heading as instructed by ATC - setup the TACAN frequency for the airport (and ILS) - set course (CSP) on HSI according to the runway heading - start turning towards course set on HSI when course deviation (CDI) is close to zero (aligned with CSP). At this point alt should be 1500 feet. This however works provided that there is a TACAN station on the airport. Otherwise I just turn towards the runway visually. Some reading: http://stm.laartcc.org/Special+Military+Procedures http://www.352ndfg.com/vb/content.php?205 [ame]http://www.cafutahwing.org/uploads/1/0/8/2/10827645/formation_pt-17_part-2.pdf[/ame] F/A-18, F-16, F-14, M-2000C, A-10C, AV-8B, AJS-37 Viggen, F-5E-3, F-86F, MiG-21bis, MiG-15bis, L-39 Albatros, C-101 Aviojet, P-51D, Spitfire LF Mk. IX, Bf 109 4-K, UH-1H, Mi-8, Ka-50, NTTR, Normandy, Persian Gulf... and not enough time to fully enjoy it all Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zabuzard Posted June 4, 2016 Share Posted June 4, 2016 (edited) The tower gives you the coordinates to the return point. That is some point, ~20 miles away from the runway, where you can begin a perfect approach. If he says: "Fly heading 300 for 10 miles" then you simply fly 300° for 10 miles. At that point you should align yourself with the runway heading, let's say 70°. You can measure the correct distance, for example via the offset page or the TAD (cursor <-> own, move the cursor in the correct direction for 11 miles, create markpoint). Aim for about 2500 feet at ~200 mph at the return point. If you then fly towards the runway you should intercept the ILS glide slope after some time. "Checklist": - Call inbound - Fly towards the return point (received by ATC), set HSI to TACAN and desired course to runway heading, aim for 2500 feet at 200 mph - Intercept the return point with the aid of the HSI (TACAN radial) - Align with the TACAN signal (runway heading) - Enable ILS and wait for glide slope signal - Land Edited June 4, 2016 by Zabuza Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RagingBunny Posted June 19, 2016 Share Posted June 19, 2016 The tower gives you the coordinates to the return point. That is some point, ~20 miles away from the runway, where you can begin a perfect approach. If he says: "Fly heading 300 for 10 miles" then you simply fly 300° for 10 miles. At that point you should align yourself with the runway heading, let's say 70°. You can measure the correct distance, for example via the offset page or the TAD (cursor <-> own, move the cursor in the correct direction for 11 miles, create markpoint). Aim for about 2500 feet at ~200 mph at the return point. If you then fly towards the runway you should intercept the ILS glide slope after some time. "Checklist": - Call inbound - Fly towards the return point (received by ATC), set HSI to TACAN and desired course to runway heading, aim for 2500 feet at 200 mph - Intercept the return point with the aid of the HSI (TACAN radial) - Align with the TACAN signal (runway heading) - Enable ILS and wait for glide slope signal - Land You may want to inform the tower at some point that you'd like to land . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zabuzard Posted June 19, 2016 Share Posted June 19, 2016 Yeah, between the last two points. - Call 'Inbound' - Fly towards the return point (received by ATC), set HSI to TACAN and desired course to runway heading, aim for 2500 feet at 200 mph - Intercept the return point with the aid of the HSI (TACAN radial) - Align with the TACAN signal (runway heading) - Enable ILS and wait for glide slope signal - Call 'Landing' - Land Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grunf Posted June 19, 2016 Share Posted June 19, 2016 How do I measure 10 miles?! With the stopwatch :D. You know your speed and distance, it's easy to calculate time to fly. Being slightly bored, I just made this table, suitable for kneeboard. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slowhand Posted June 19, 2016 Share Posted June 19, 2016 Nice time chart:thumbup: and a great share +1 [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] SMOKE'M:smoke: IF YA GOT'M!:gun_rifle: H2o Cooler I7 9700k GA 390x MB Win 10 pro Evga RTX 2070 8Gig DD5 32 Gig Corsair Vengence, 2T SSD. TM.Warthog:joystick: :punk:, CV-1:matrix:,3x23" monitors, Tm MFD's, Saitek pro rudders wrapped up in 2 sheets of plywood:megalol: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zabuzard Posted June 19, 2016 Share Posted June 19, 2016 Great chart, but I'd create own markpoints and waypoints using the TAD. Far more flexible. At least if you are familiar with the TAD. Set to "Cursor <> Own", move the cursor. Distance is displayed on the TAD, move until it reads 10nm and create a markpoint etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gliptal Posted June 20, 2016 Share Posted June 20, 2016 I never follow ATCs directions. I mostly fly directly towards the airport and enter the circuit pattern. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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