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topol-m 04-03-2009 08:21 PM

9M123 Khrizantema - the "Grim Reaper" for tanks
 
The 9M123 Khrizantema is designed to replace the Fagot (AT-4/SPIGOT), Konkurs (AT-5/SPANDREL), and Metis (AT-7/SAXHORN) missiles. It can operate in all-weather, day or night. The missile launching system is mounted on a bmp-3 chassis and is also tested for use by helicopters.
It has two modes of guidance: the first mode is automatic - the missile is guided by a radar and does not require the gunner to maintain visual contact with the target. The second mode - in which the missile follows a laser beam is semi-automatic and requires the sight to be kept on the target until the missile strikes.

A BMP-3 armed with hrizantema system can simultaneously destroy 2 tanks at max. distance of 6 km using either the same or different modes of guidance. These missiles can also attack slow and low flying aerial targets and can penetrate over 1000 millimeters of steel armor protected by explosive reactive armor.

GGTharos 04-03-2009 08:45 PM

There is no fire and forget mode - the radar guides is Command-Line-Of-Sight. The laser guidance operates on the same principle.

=4c= Hajduk Veljko 04-03-2009 09:41 PM

Any pictures?

Boberro 04-03-2009 10:03 PM

I never heard RU has any fire forget missiles (like Mavs) from this segment of weaponry.

Any source for your text?

topol-m 04-03-2009 10:03 PM

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Originally Posted by =4c= Hajduk Veljko (Post 667163)
Any pictures?

Better - video: http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=d38_1191510516

topol-m 04-03-2009 10:12 PM

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Originally Posted by GGTharos (Post 667129)
There is no fire and forget mode - the radar guides is Command-Line-Of-Sight. The laser guidance operates on the same principle.

Not visial contact required, but you may be right about the line of sight. If there is a hard obstacle between firing and targeted vehicle probably it can`t be used.

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Originally Posted by Boberro (Post 667179)
I never heard RU has any fire forget missiles (like Mavs) from this segment of weaponry.

Any source for your text?

Various places. Posting one with more details in some aspects: http://warfare.ru/?catid=261&linkid=1580

GGTharos 04-03-2009 10:21 PM

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Originally Posted by topol-m (Post 667182)
Not visial contact required, but you may be right about the line of sight.

Yeah, because it's radar it can track through smoke etc - but it still requires no obstructions along the flight path which is what line of sight means - obviously it's a term that was originally applied to visual contact, now also being used fro other methods.


Quote:

Various places. Posting one with more details in some aspects: http://warfare.ru/?catid=261&linkid=1580
This missile does not come with a seeker - at least in the land operated version ... so it isn't fire and forget, you must maintain LOS - but the engagement can be fully automatic which is a plus.

topol-m 04-03-2009 10:26 PM

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Originally Posted by GGTharos (Post 667190)
This missile does not come with a seeker - at least in the land operated version ... so it isn't fire and forget, you must maintain LOS - but the engagement can be fully automatic which is a plus.

Yep, agreed. Probably i got some old info about it being "fire and forget". But well its much better than laser guided. If integrated in helis or in future versions of BMP launching with not just 2 but multiple firing pods it it will allow to attack several targets at the same time instead of just 1 like it is with vikhr.

GGTharos 04-03-2009 10:30 PM

I think that's just because they can beam ride two at once - I don't think this is necessarily very superior to hellfire in rapid-fire mode, and definitely not superior to hellfire-mmw which -is- fire and forget (but there have been problems with it).

It is superior in range to Javelin, but then Javelin is man-portable and fire and forget ...

So I think it is an interesting system, but for it to be fully effective you must fight in a plain where you -can- get 6km range. It is definitely a superior weapon to Vikhr in some respects (penetration, for example) but it is effectively still the same type of missile guidance, despite the fact that you are using alternate laser and radar as the beam.

Mind you, the trick is to also realize that while it might not combine the BEST possible characteristics, it might not matter - it is still a very dangerous weapon ;)

topol-m 04-03-2009 10:44 PM

Probably the small range is its weakest point right now. But it wont be very difficult IMO to modify it to have a greater range for heli use at least, cause when launched from a bmp, it must be really a perfect situation to have 6 km of line of sight, which is not very likely.


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